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Ronald Weinland and the-end.com
kweli:
Thanks for that Kat. Good tools there to help with the digging
Hello Roy
There's no way you could be wrong about that. If I dispute then I'd be denying Jesus. Here's how I was looking at it...
Romans 15
20 Yea, so have I striven to preach the Gospel not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation;
21 but as it is written: "To whom He was not spoken of, they shall see; and they that have not heard shall understand [that's us]."
1 Corinthians 3
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For no man can lay another foundation than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. [again, you are right]
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble,
13 every man's work shall be made manifest; for the Day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall test every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereon, he shall receive a reward.
Ephesians 2
20 Ye are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone,
21 in whom all the building, fitly framed together, groweth unto a holy temple in the Lord,
22 in Whom ye also are built together for a habitation of God through the Spirit.
I'm in agreement, just looking at it also from a perspective of a teacher laying a foundation, but not taking away from the foundation of Jesus.
All Glory To Him
winner08:
Ok first of all let me just say I know about the book of revelation. I know about the 2 witnesses I know about these things. I was making a point about symbolism's. I have been studying the bible for over 25 yrs now and I;m still learning. That's not to say I don't know some things. Through the yrs the Lord has shown me much. I study and meditate and read and reread the Bible. Sometimes I have to take a break or I can get obsess. When I ask questions,sometimes the Lord has given me the ansewers,but I'm trying to get a conversation started. I'm trying to hear what you think or believe. So please don't take me for some young up start in the word of God. Yet I am a young up start in the teaching of Ray. Witch I thoroughly enjoy reading and learning. Once again I know that it is the revelation of Jesus Christ. Yes Kat when you said the first eleven verses in chapter one of revelation is an introduction, much of this introduction can be taken literally, but not all. Then the remainder of the book are filled with symbolisms. That is all I was trying to say. It it sometimes difficult to separate the two (literal and symbols). BTW Kweli I never said I believe that the age will end in 08. If you read what I said, it is about a certain guy who said this. I know what our Lord has said about the end time that no one knows the hour or day that this will happen except the Father. One more thing what does me asking questions about the 2 witnesses or about symbolisms have to do with not being like-minded or fellowshipping? Kweli anybody can copy a whole lot of scripture to make your points, But I preferred to write what I am thinking at the time of my questions and ansewers. This is why sometimes I come across as being different. I believe in what Ray teaches and What the Lord has shown me through HIS word.
Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
I sorry you took what I posted to you, as I was saying you didn't know things or that you were young. I was really just trying to help with the questions you had, by showing Scripture that I thought were relevant to that subject.
I try not to talk down to anybody here or say anything that might offend. But I guess it's the same old thing with this means of communication, if doesn't always transfer in the post the way we are trying to convey it.
Please understand that I am learning these things right along with the rest of you and I make no claims to having more understanding than most here.
I bring up things that Ray has posted at his site, to point people to what he has taught on a subject. That section from Ray's paper I posted was concerning the symbolism in Rev., which you were questioning. Sometimes I forget things that ray has already said, so I bring these back up, so we can review it, not saying you didn't already read this.
These conversations are good and help us see the different perspectives people have and I think we can learn a great deal from one another. But since this is the means we have to fellowship here, we will just have to keep trying to use it with consideration and respect for one another. And I hope this helps you see I certainly meant no disrespect to you in my post :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
musicman:
--- Quote from: winner08 on June 11, 2008, 06:46:30 PM ---Yes, Mark I read This book your speaking of. I found this Guy to be out there to say the least. I beleive he said 08 would be the year that this age would come to an end. Also that the 7th seal has been open. Well the yr. is not over with yet. But as the Bible says we will know if this guy is from God by the fruit he bears. If the age ends then we will know he was speaking the truth. If not we will know he just one in a long line of false prophets. btw I agree we should not follow Ray blindley but check out whatever he teaches in the Bible through scripture. Then make sure that scripture has another scripture backing the 1st one up. I know it's easyer said than done. If I'm not mistaken, Ray says don't take his word, check it out ourselves.
Darren
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Question:
Why would someone bother selling a book if they really believe that the present age would end this year? Does he have to pay off some bills before Christ returns? I don't claim to know whether money is needed in the next age or not but regardless, wouldn't giving the books away for free give one much needed bonus points with the Lord? This man cannot possibly believe such a thing!!
winner08:
Yes I agree with everything you said. But I really think he beleives that he is one of the two witnesses. I did read the book, for curiosity had gotten the better of me. I must say satan has deceived this man. This is just my belief. I have to admit it was quite thought out. But as I said before we will tell if this man is what he says he is by the fruit he bears.
Darren
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