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EKnight:
Paul,
I see your point. Jesus takes the figurative language used in the Parable and then puts them in literal terms. So, I don't get how the fiery furnace is not literal when everything else appears to be???
Did you understand Ray's answer? I don't.
Eileen
hillsbororiver:
Hi Folks,
Please try to keep in mind the entire bible is indeed a parable. Even things that are truly literal and appear to be straight forward and physically applicable to our present reality really do have deeper spiritual truths contained within them.
Eze 17:2 Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
Have you ever explained or "fleshed out" one analogy with another analogy?
(Herman you are you are a "diamond in the rough." Herman asks "what do you mean?" What I mean is you are a work in progress, an unfinished gem.)
Are real people actually tares or wheat or both? Is the Kingdom really a bunch of plants with actual roots growing in literal soil?
Is God really a literal consuming fire? Or is Paul actually speaking a parable here as well?
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire. [Also see; Deu 4:24 & Deu 9:3]
Peace,
Joe
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: EKnight on June 19, 2008, 10:47:21 PM ---Paul,
I see your point. Jesus takes the figurative language used in the Parable and then puts them in literal terms. So, I don't get how the fiery furnace is not literal when everything else appears to be???
Did you understand Ray's answer? I don't.
Eileen
--- End quote ---
Dear Eileen and Paul
I'm not sure about it but I think I can follow what Ray is about, so let me give my opinion on it.
Jesus does indeed give a literal explanation of what the various parts of the parable represent. So let us examine it; 37 And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, 38 and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 “So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 “The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness." (Matt.13:37-41).
1)..The sower is the Son of Man. 2)..The field is the world. 3)..The good seed are the sons of the kingdom. 4)..The tares are the sons of the evil one. 5)..The enemy is the devil. 6)..The harvest is the end of the age. 7)..The reapers are the angels.
Jesus gives this explanation only to those with eyes to see and ears to hear, His disciples the chosen, but it isn't explained to the multitude. For what the multitude are told we have to go back to the parable, the sons of the kingdom are the chosen, the tares are the sons of the evil one, the harvest is the end of the age. The reaper goes out and collects the symbolic chosen and gathers them into the barn, and he collects the symbolic tares and casts them into the fire. Few are chosen but the many are not. That's what it boils down to.
It is the symbolic wheat and tares that are gathered and either stored or burned that is being spoken of and not the literal.
I don't know whether I have done a decent job at trying to explain it, but that's how I see it and it appears to be quite clear. Whether it is right or not I don't know but I am open to correction.
God bless you brother and sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
EKnight:
Explanation of the Parable of the Weeds Matthew 13:36-42
Then dismissing the crowds, he went into the house. His disciples approached him and said, "explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field." He said in reply, "He who sows good seed is the Son of Man, the field is the world, the god seed the children of the kingdom. The weeds are the children of the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the endo of the age, and the harvesters are angels. Just as weeds are collected and burned [up] with fire, so will it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will collect out of his kingdom all who cause others to sin and all evildoers. They [his angels] will throw them [those that cause others to sin and evildoers] into the fiery furnace, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.
So Jesus says this is this or this (in the parable) IS this, and this IS this but when he gets to the fiery furnace, that is the one thing he doesn't change and leaves that as figurative or symbolic??? I don't know about that.
Eileen
Roy Monis:
Dear Eileen
We must understand that His disciples were no different to the multitudes outside at that moment in time because they hadn't been given the Holy Spirit as yet. So in the explanation He is talking to His disciples in private which is in the literal for them to understand, but when He went outside and addressed the multitudes He had to do it in a parable so they wouldn't understand.
Now do you see it?
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
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