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I was just thinking!
musicman:
Roy, the point was made several posts ago. I don't see a trend of forum members continually lying to themselves and claiming to know and love God the way we must. Let's remember that everything is relative. Are you going to point out every flaw in one's character which shows a lack of love for God? Even when I gave a dead honest answer you felt compeled to remind me that I am a fence staddler or something (luke warm). Well no joke Shirlock (wait, did I say that right?). Anyway, let's leave the teaching to Ray.
P.S.
Thanks for the scriture about luke warm. It's good to know exactly what I am. It's way better to be luke warm right now than wicked hot in Satan's barbacue pit known as hell.
hillsbororiver:
I think that in a roundabout way Roy was alluding to what Paul wrote here;
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. (Here is our "beast" the carnal mind)
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
I really do not think this is a simple yes or no answer, as carnal men the answer would be a flat "no" as we do not have a clue as to who and what God actually is, if we are called to experience His indwelling Spirit then it should be I love God more than yesterday but not as much as tomorrow. For those who once believed in an eternal hell did you not immediately feel a love for God that you had not before when it was revealed that this hell business is a doctrine of Satan and not of God?
As our eyes open to God's ultimate plan for all mankind, as we understand this (and by extension His Divine nature) learning more of Him day by day doesn't our love continue to increase? I believe this increase will continue always, throughout our immortal lives.
Roy please correct me if I have mistakenly represented your thoughts.
Peace,
Joe
winner08:
Great thread Roy from the UK. Awhile back I wrote an email to Ray, and I said just how I felt on this and related subjects. I called it, I feel like a hypocrit. Yes this is how I feel about your question. I don't know how to post my email for all to read. It has some good points in it that I feel that most can relate to. Your mention that it is a straight yes or know ansewer.Without going into a long reason why, my ansewer is No. I feel as if I do not love God in my heart of hearts as much as I love my wife and kids and my mom. This is the first words out of my mouth every morning when I wake up and every night before I go to sleep.(Please God in Jesus's name ,Change my heart). I also pray that God will fill my soul with His Holy Spirit so that I may know His words and do His will. This I pray every day and night. Now this is not all that I pray but it is the first and last. Look up that email it's pretty good.
PS I know what love is, but I just don't know if I really FEEL what love is.
Thanks Darren
Beloved:
In this chapter Paul talking about love ...please note
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.
12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. 13 But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love." (1Cor.13).
I do not believe that we can attain this perfect love while we are in the flesh.
We can only love inperfectly
(1Jn 4:10) in this is the love, not that we loved God, but that He did love us, and did send His Son a propitiation for our sins.
(1Jn 4:11) Beloved, if thus did God love us, we also ought one another to love;
(1Jn 4:12) God no one hath ever seen; if we may love one another, God in us doth remain, and His love is having been perfected in us;
(1Jn 4:13) in this we know that in Him we do remain, and He in us, because of His Spirit He hath given us.
(1Jn 4:16) and we--we have known and believed the love that God hath in us; God is love, and he who is remaining in the love, in God he doth remain, and God in him.
(1Jn 4:18) fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath punishment, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love;
(1Jn 4:19) we--we love him, because He--He first loved us;
God is LOVE ......God = LOVE We can not attain this state in the flesh
Christ "in us" is the closest we get while here on earth, most of us are just like Peter.....we can barely philelo/ love God right now....and we are not really even good at that. We have such short attention spans and cannot maintain because we are often distracted by the world.
The fact that we believe that God will save ALL...gives us only fraction of feeling of love toward our enemies....because we know they will some day see what we see....but the day will come....
that the elect will be sown as seed for the many called and that these then will be sown for the rest of the world.
only then we will fullfill this scripture
(Joh 15:13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
The last word..."friends" is
G5384 φίλος philos fee'-los
Properly dear, that is, a friend; actively fond, that is, friendly (still as a noun, an associate, neighbor, etc.):
Thanks Roy....stimulate and stir us up
beloved
KristaD:
Beautiful Beloved, thank you.
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