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Kat:
Hi Roy,
--- Quote ---The wheat and the Tares meant little to me until Ray opened the window and now the light that began to shine in me located the Tares and the Wheat. I believe, my opinion only from what I'm being prompted, the wheat are our neighbours the second of God's two commandments and the Tares are Satan's goodies that are being stored up by the "I" the beast within.
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Just trying to get this straighten out in my mind about the 'wheat and tares.' I believe Ray teaches this parable, like all parables are about the many called and the few chosen. Here is a post from Ray that can be found in the 'Transcripts of Ray's Audio's and More Teachings.'
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7500.0.html ---------
[Ray's reply]
I hope I did not insinuate that. We (the ELECT) are the WHEAT, and not the tares. Besides, we cannot be wheat and tares at the same time "growing up TOGETHER" as this parable suggests.
The wheat and the tares grow up TOGETHER in this world: "I pray not that Thou should take them out of the world, but that Thou should keep them FROM THE EVIL" (John `7:15).
The "EVIL" -- "...the TARES are the Children of the wicked one" (Matt. 13:38). We are the "good seed" which are "the CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM [the Elect]..." (Matt. 13:38).
We are not "tares," but we do have "chaff," and it is that CHAFF that is burned out of us, not "tares." I pointed this out in my last Installment on HELL:
Here, being baptized (immersed) in fire [pur] is as important and beneficial as being baptized with God's Holy Spirit.
"Whose fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly purge His [threshing] floor, and gather His wheat [wheat is good] into the garner, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire" (Matt. 3:12).
Chaff is the bracts enclosing the good, mature wheat, which is removed during threshing-it has no value as food, and so is burned like the wood, hay, and stubble of I Cor. 3:12. The Elect are composed of both the valuable wheat and the worthless chaff, but we are not the tares. Notice that the chaff is "burned up... with unquenchable fire." If this "unquenchable fire" "burns up" the chaff, surely it cannot be eternal. Unquenchable has nothing to do with eternal. Unquenchable fires is Scriptures that are not allowed to be quenched before they are allowed to burn themselves out.
Winnowing Wheat
"He will gather His wheat... but He will burn up the chaff" (Matt. 3:14).
We are the wheat of Jesus' parable, and we have unwanted chaff surrounding our lives. Jesus is not likening some people to wheat and others to chaff. The wheat is not one group and the chaff another, but rather the unwanted chaff belongs to the desired wheat. The wheat is the baby and the chaff is the bath water. We do not throw away the baby with the bath water, but we do throw away the dirty bath water (in this analogy the bath water represents chaff which is burned in fire).
Notice my statement: "we ARE NOT THE TARES," in the middle of the third paragraph.
Hope this clears up your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
OBrenda:
I accept that Ray teaches us "We Are Not The Tares" in this parable.
But I understand my carnal/ego part, to be something within me, but not actually who I truly am in Christ.
It is the Beast within that entwines itself and deceives us, and many don't know he's there. And many believe they are the beast/carnal mind, and call it just being human.
So like you Roy, this parable creates that picture in my mind, of the wheat & the tares to understand a spiritual truth that God's Spirit dwells in me along with the Beast/Carnial Mind. It helped me to see it more clearly, even if that is not what God was exactly referring to in this particular parable. (I don't know if there can be dual truths in a parable) More likely it was just a tool to get a Truth to us, as when the Donkey Spoke.
We certainly know some people are missing the meanings of the Parable entirely.
But Praise God he gave "Revelational Teachings" to Ray to confirm the truth and expose the heresy of Babylon.
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on June 26, 2008, 08:46:27 AM ---I also agree with Beloved and some of the Others, I have enjoyed this post, and have received much out of it.
I perceive Roy's genuine enthusiasm to share, his cup runith over. He is encouraging us to think deeper on a very important foundation, Do We Love God??
In his enthusiasm he may have been short in his comments to some, but isn't this similar to Ray's style/personality?
Haven't we read many emails to Ray that take offence to his manner, and miss the point entirely?
I hope you will forgive me, cuz I am a Babe here, and I don't want to overstep my bounds. But I would like to point out a scripture that Kat posted above, and hope everybody meditates on it: Are we not still carnal if there is envy and strife and divisions among us???
Should we not in this forum be able to......Speak the Truth in Love? And give GRACE to those when struggling to understand an area that is difficult? Consider that we are all still being brought from Glory to Glory, that we are still learning Line upon line, precept upon precept. When we stick our Flag in what we believe today, we are no longer teachable and will stop growing in the knowledge of Him.
That is not to say we don't have a sure Foundation.
If Ray or anyone else expresses opposition to someones belief, they are not attacking the persons character, they are challenging only a "belief/thought". SO if we take our ego/carnal mind out this we will not be so easily offended. Having said that we should always check ourselves before we respond, that we are coming from the Spirit of His Love.
IMVHO
P.S. I also questioned the parable of the tares being possibly our carnial nature recently on another post.
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Hi! Brenda
Thank you for your kind observations. Can you see where I am in any way trying to teach or bring my own teachings on to this forum? Can you see any truth in the accusation that I'm not following the teachings of Ray? Why are these people, not from without but from within, being so mean minded? Have we by some remote chance got some tares not only in us but also in our midst?
The message I delivered was not my word but what I believe to be the Word of God proven by the Scriptures quoted, and all the quotes can be Spiritually compared with other Scriptures in the Bible. We are the real Israel as Ray through Divine inspiration has disclosed to us. This is the Israel to whom I believe I have been commanded to deliver the message (Ezek.3). Regrettably this Israel also is once again rejecting it. Have we not learned anything? You see I cannot say much or I'll be accused of bringing my own teachings in. I have no teachings to bring in in the first place so what are they talking about? I am a learner, that is why I am on this site like you are, and I have learned a tremendous amount but there is a mountain yet to be climbed.
The Lord has been speaking to me, I have to admit, and like Jonah I've shied against it and tried to ignore it but it couldn't be ignored any longer and had to come out. Yes Beloved is perfectly right when she says I played a game with it to start with, I have to be truthful I did but there was a reason, I wanted to see if there was anyone who could see what I was seeing. A Spiritual exercise which is good and edifying, that's what we are here for to help one another. I thought Beloved had it, but she stopped. Then I thought Joe had it and he also stopped short. Then there was one, if I'm not mistaken it was you, Brenda, who nailed it.
The revelation was a shock even to me but I thought it was going fine till the Bobby's and Dewey's had to try to pull it to pieces without any sound foundation other than for criticism's sake. That's a great pity because it is neither edifying or useful to any member on this forum.
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Redbird:
Dear Kat,
Excellent quotes from Ray in regards to the wheat and chaff. :)
One thing I am having a problem with in this thread is the ego being explained as the I...I tend to think of the ego as more of an it (the chaff)! Because even God refers to himself as I, so how can that be a bad thing????
Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
OBrenda:
Hi Roy...To your question..
Can you see where I am in any way trying to teach or bring my own teachings on to this forum? Can you see any truth in the accusation that I'm not following the teachings of Ray? Why are these people, not from without but from within, being so mean minded? Have we by some remote chance got some tares not only in us but also in our midst?
I think there is a differnce in "Teaching" and "Sharing" my perception was you were "Sharing" a treasure you found with us. I have never seen anything disrespectful to Ray or his teachings from you.
I don't think those that have been offened by what you said are "Tares" I think they honestly Misunderstood your motives, some times people just don't get what is between the lines! And to be FAIR to them, words on a screen can't comunicate everything like our facial expressions for instance. If you read back through your posts, are there places where you could have expressed yourself a little more softer and still made your point?
Now I have a question for you...Do You Love those, who misunderstood You!
Can we all overcome our Carnality to reach a Love that dosen't need to defend itself, but instead prays,
Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do?
Haven't we been reading, He who hates his Brother, Can't Love GOD?
As Iron sharens Iron, why are we suprised and fearful when things get a little heated.
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