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Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on June 26, 2008, 11:24:06 AM ---Hi Roy...To your question..
Can you see where I am in any way trying to teach or bring my own teachings on to this forum? Can you see any truth in the accusation that I'm not following the teachings of Ray? Why are these people, not from without but from within, being so mean minded? Have we by some remote chance got some tares not only in us but also in our midst?
I think there is a difference in "Teaching" and "Sharing" my perception was you were "Sharing" a treasure you found with us. I have never seen anything disrespectful to Ray or his teachings from you.
I don't think those that have been offended by what you said are "Tares" I think they honestly Misunderstood your motives, some times people just don't get what is between the lines! And to be FAIR to them, words on a screen can't communicate everything like our facial expressions for instance. If you read back through your posts, are there places where you could have expressed yourself a little more softer and still made your point?
Now I have a question for you...Do You Love those, who misunderstood You!
Can we all overcome our Carnality to reach a Love that doesn't need to defend itself, but instead prays,
Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do?
Haven't we been reading, He who hates his Brother, Can't Love GOD?
As Iron sharpens Iron, why are we suprised and fearful when things get a little heated.
--- End quote ---
Hi! Brenda
I don't hate anyone, have I given that impression anywhere in all that I've been saying? If I have then I'm truly sorry but I can't recall any. The times when I've inadvertently given offense and come to realize it, I have immediately tendered a sincere apology. No I don't hate or dislike anyone I just consider them to be a thorn in the flesh but love them all the same. If a short frank and honest response is taken as hate then I'm guilty, but I don't apologize for that because that is how I am and always will be. I prefer it to the concealed dishonest approach you never know what's lurking behind.
I am now going to give you an honest answer from the heart. I do love those who despise or hate me, I may not like them but I certainly do love them and FORGIVE them also. Does that answer your question?
Regarding the tares; I am just wondering if, not accusing, they are a part of the tares, because it has occurred before in a Church established by a person more highly inspired than Ray by the name of Paul and it happened to him. Just wondering not accusing, could it happen again? They were also from within if you remember.
I dare say there are places where my posts could have been expressed a bit better and clearer way, but I'm no different to anyone else in that respect we are all human, carnal and fallible. It is a very difficult thing to do, have you not noticed Ray's teachings, how he has to repeat, capitalize and highlight over and over again to get his point home. Now that is teaching and good teaching so we can all understand but even then sometimes we don't. Sadly I don't have that privilege, because if I did try to do it everyone would be down on me like a ton of bricks. You're teaching, that's not allowed, we have a teacher! As if I didn't know, I'm grateful as he is the same person who is teaching me, the only difference is I'm learning and not just finding fault with others. We can't seem to win.
This forum I believe is for discussing topics to try and answer questions that are worrying some, and not for just exchanging Scriptural verses which is what I see in the case of Dewey who filled a full page with Scripture, if anyone could have cut it short it was him, but don't get me wrong I honestly do love that guy, he makes me laugh and I love a good laugh and complain at the same time. Joke Ha!Ha!
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
OBrenda:
Hi Again Roy,
Every single Person that God has put in my path has been a "Teacher" to me. Even if they are only a "Screamming Example" of what not to do. I understand Beloved is a Doctor, she has taught me here on this Forum, by sharing her knowledge that I am completely ignorant of. There are several people here that have taught me here, by sharing their understanding, and they have helped to straighten my crooked thinking.
I think we are all teaching and learning from one another here, I don't know if its possible not to? I have no idea what all the walking on eggshells is all about, but I trust the moderators have seen allot and Do what they believe is Best. I had one of my post Locked Out. And I learned a great deal from it.
But I Completely Trust they made a choice from Wisdom and Caring for the Flock!
When you read several posts here, in one subject there is a person who is asking a question that seems simple, and in the next post that same person is imparting great insight. I can be a Good Disciple one day and a complete FOOL the next. Whomever God wants me to be, its OK....I don't want pride coming in (again).
When I read your post here, I feel like I've been hugged by my Dad. You exude fatherly Love, and what good Father doesn't want to share his wisdom?? I can't think of one. You don't need to apologize for your personality , some will find it a blessing, some will feel threatened. Thanks just the way it is. I for one find you a Delight!
I think it's more important to Love One Another, finding agreement is secondary,...and in the hands of our GOD!
He can fix this, everything is OK!
sansmile:
Hi all,
I have watched this topic and seen all points and what came to mind is a poem i actually seen posted in BTF. It will probable be moved but feel i should post it.
THE CHOSEN VESSEL
By R. Cornwall
The Master was searching for a vessel to use;
On the shelf there were many--which one would He choose?
Take me, cried the gold one, I'm shiny and bright,
I'm of great value and I do things just right.
My beauty and luster will outshine the rest
And for someone like You, Master, gold would be the best!
The Master passed on with no word at all;
He looked at a silver urn, narrow and tall;
I'll serve You, dear Master, I'll pour out Your wine
And I'll be at Your table whenever You dine,
My lines are so graceful, my carvings so true,
And my silver will always compliment You.
Unheeding the Master passed on to the brass,
It was widemouthed and shallow, and polished like glass.
Here! Here! cried the vessel, I know I will do,
Place me on Your table for all men to view.
Look at me, called the goblet of crystal so clear,
My transparency shows my contents so dear,
Though fragile am I, I will serve You with pride,
And I'm sure I'll be happy Your house to abide.
The Master came next to a vessel of wood,
Polished and carved, it solidly stood.
You may use me, dear Master, the wooden bowl said,
But I'd rather You used me for fruit, not for bread!
Then the Master looked down and saw a vessel of clay.
Empty and broken it helplessly lay.
No hope had the vessel that the Master might choose,
To cleanse and make whole, to fill and to use.
Ah! This is the vessel I've been hoping to find,
I will mend and use it and make it all Mine.
I need not the vessel with pride of its self;
Nor the one who is narrow to sit on the shelf;
Nor the one who is bigmouthed and shallow and loud;
Nor one who displays his contents so proud;
Not the one who thinks he can do all things just right;
But this plain earthy vessel filled with My power and might.
Then gently He lifted the vessel of clay.
Mended and cleansed it and filled it that day.
Spoke to it kindly. "There's work you must do,
Just pour out to others as I pour into you."
We are all clay pots, being created in His )THE CHOSEN VESSEL
By R. Cornwall
The Master was searching for a vessel to use;
On the shelf there were many--which one would He choose?
Take me, cried the gold one, I'm shiny and bright,
I'm of great value and I do things just right.
My beauty and luster will outshine the rest
And for someone like You, Master, gold would be the best!
The Master passed on with no word at all;
He looked at a silver urn, narrow and tall;
I'll serve You, dear Master, I'll pour out Your wine
And I'll be at Your table whenever You dine,
My lines are so graceful, my carvings so true,
And my silver will always compliment You.
Unheeding the Master passed on to the brass,
It was widemouthed and shallow, and polished like glass.
Here! Here! cried the vessel, I know I will do,
Place me on Your table for all men to view.
Look at me, called the goblet of crystal so clear,
My transparency shows my contents so dear,
Though fragile am I, I will serve You with pride,
And I'm sure I'll be happy Your house to abide.
The Master came next to a vessel of wood,
Polished and carved, it solidly stood.
You may use me, dear Master, the wooden bowl said,
But I'd rather You used me for fruit, not for bread!
Then the Master looked down and saw a vessel of clay.
Empty and broken it helplessly lay.
No hope had the vessel that the Master might choose,
To cleanse and make whole, to fill and to use.
Ah! This is the vessel I've been hoping to find,
I will mend and use it and make it all Mine.
I need not the vessel with pride of its self;
Nor the one who is narrow to sit on the shelf;
Nor the one who is bigmouthed and shallow and loud;
Nor one who displays his contents so proud;
Not the one who thinks he can do all things just right;
But this plain earthy vessel filled with My power and might.
Then gently He lifted the vessel of clay.
Mended and cleansed it and filled it that day.
Spoke to it kindly. "There's work you must do,
Just pour out to others as I pour into you."
We are all clay pots, being created in His spiritual image. Someone said to me today, "if i am obedient all my life and someone repents after He comes, how is that fair or just" That made me feel so sad, and think, fair and just for who??? I beleive we all in here, are searching, are growing and being chastened. All of this is part of His plan to reconcile ALL creation back to the Father, Christ Himself will hand all power back.
YLT
(1Co 15:22) for even as in Adam all die, so also in the Christ all shall be made alive,
(1Co 15:23) and each in his proper order, a first-fruit Christ, afterwards those who are the Christ's, in his presence,
(1Co 15:24) then--the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power--
(1Co 15:25) for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet--
(1Co 15:26) the last enemy is done away--death;
Peace and God Bless
Sandie
OBrenda:
Sandy...All I have to say to that is......."That Was BEAUTIFUL" and Thank You!
sansmile:
Brenda,
ALL glory to Him xx
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