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Martinez:

Good question this one.

The question is does Jesus mean that these people are goats in His eyes or in the eyes of the very religious?
And how does it fit in with this verse?

Mat 25:32  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34  Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36  Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37  Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38  When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39  Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40  And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41  Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42  For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43  I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44  Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45  Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


I usually think of the dessert as being a place without water, in this case "Living Water", certainly those who don't know Christ (decieved) are without water.

I'm not sure but it's food for thought that's for sure!

sansmile:
Just  thinking about Abraham  when he was ready to  sacrifice his  son. God provided  a scapegoat......  the ram  in the bush. Christ is the innocent  scapegoat.
 
just thinking out loud  x

Robin:
I emailed Ray and asked him for a hint on what the scapegoat represents.

I looked up Azazel and that was interesting. I would have never known that. I found so many definitions for Azazel that I won't even try to speculate what it really means.

This is how it reads in the Holman Christian Standard Bible

Leviticus 16:6 "Aaron will present the bull for his sin offering and make atonement for himself and his household. 7 Next he will take the two goats and place them before the LORD at the entrance to the tent of meeting. 8 After Aaron casts lots for the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other for Azazel, 9 he is to present the goat chosen by lot for the LORD and sacrifice it as a sin offering. 10 But the goat chosen by lot for Azazel is to be presented alive before the LORD to make purification with it by sending it into the wilderness for Azazel.

chuckt:
i see Christ as the scapegoat....


chuckt

Robin:
Ray says that Christ was not made sin, but was a sin offering.

Christianity taught me that our sin was poured into Christ at his crucifixion. His righteousness was poured into us. It is that exchanged life teaching. They used the scapegoat as the example. They said the sins of the people were transfered to the scapegoat in the same way our sin was transferred to Christ on the cross.

I don't have an answer to this in light of Ray's teaching that Christ was not made sin for us.

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