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"Specially"
Paul:
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Joyce, this thread was supposed to be nothing more than pointing out that the word specially is used in a peculiar way in 1 Timothy 4:10 in the King James version--an obsolete way. I exemplified this when I used it in a sentence in the same way:
I like bibletruths.com, specially the Lake of Fire series.
Obsolete English.
I just wanted to point out to people that 1 Timothy 4:10 in the KJV doesn't exactly make sense in our modern day language. If you're ever trying to explain Universalism to somebody, and you're using the KJV, you'll have to explain that specially used to be a synonym for especially. That's all.
Y'see, the especially part of 1 Timothy 4:10 is what makes the verse what it is. It's what sets in stone the fact that all literally means everyone. Unfortunately, the verse, in the KJV, is one of the more obsolete ones. The verse makes as little sense in our day and age as my example sentence above about bibletruths.com. When you read 1 Timothy 4:10 from a Bible that uses especially, it's a slap in the face to Christendom's exclusivity doctrine where only believers will be saved. However, this powerful verse doesn't make sense, in the KJV, in our day and age.
And I didn't comment on anyone's responses to my Titus 1:10 question because I didn't have time. I'll read your responses at some point and comment. :)
Beloved:
This thread's merely a dialog about how one of the most essential verses for Universal Salvation doesn't make grammatical sense in today's modern English, in the most well-established translation of the Bible.
It is the SUM of God's word Paul...not this one verse. All this looks like nitpicking to me.
There are so many verses that speak of universal salvation that only those whose eyes are blocked would miss it
I myself do not need any more proof...and cannot understand how anyone after reading all that Ray has read and said can still be dealing with this. At any point Universalism is a MILK doctrine.
(Heb 6:1) Wherefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Christ, unto the perfection we may advance, not again a foundation laying of reformation from dead works, and of faith on God,
(Heb 6:2) of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on also of hands, of rising again also of the dead, and of judgment age-during,
We are suppose to be striving for maturity....feeding on meat of the Word.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskillfull in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
I am done with pablum
beloved
Kat:
Hi Paul,
--- Quote ---I just wanted to point out to people that 1 Timothy 4:10 in the KJV doesn't exactly make sense in our modern day language. If you're ever trying to explain Universalism to somebody, and you're using the KJV, you'll have to explain that specially used to be a synonym for especially. That's all.
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I see what you are saying here. But as long as a person's eyes are not opened they will find fault with any or all Scripture you use to try to explain Universalism to them. So what I'm saying is you can not make a blind person see the truth with any Scripture, not until their eyes have been opened.
Now if someone has a real interest in the truth, then have all these Scripture ready and you will see how God works with a person whose eyes are opened :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
joyful1:
--- Quote from: Paul on July 09, 2008, 04:20:44 PM --- :)
I just wanted to point out to people that 1 Timothy 4:10 in the KJV doesn't exactly make sense in our modern day language. If you're ever trying to explain Universalism to somebody, and you're using the KJV, you'll have to explain that specially used to be a synonym for especially. That's all.
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OHHHH!! sorry! Ok, bro....I totally get you now!! Thanks for being patient with me! The bottom line in explaining US to another person is that....only the Holy Spirit can reveal the truth that was "kept hidden." If the person that you are speaking to is used to reading KJV, and the Spirit witnesses to them in their spirit that what you are saying to them is the truth....they will GET it, no matter what....if He is not revealing it to them....they will NOT get it, even if you exhaust yourself daily explaining it away. I mean this literally! L. Ray Smith unknowingly, challenged me to try this...... and they were right! It's a miracle that someone can read the scriptures that they quote and NOT get it...it takes a miracle of God to HIDE the truth from them. Which, I believe, is exactly what He is doing as He works out the perfect plan to save all of His children.
--- Quote ---And I didn't comment on anyone's responses to my Titus 1:10 question because I didn't have time. I'll read your responses at some point and comment. :)
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No problem. Catch ya on the flip-flop, over and out! ;D
Joyce :)
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Kat on July 08, 2008, 08:10:30 AM ---
Hi Paul,
For those that have their eyes opened, that is a solid proof Scripture. Now for those who have not had their eyes opened, they will have plenty of excuses not to believe this. They see nothing spiritual in any of the words of the Bible. The Bible is not a spiritual book to them and they can not understand these spiritual truths.
I think the King James Onlyists are trying to make that translation of the Bible more important than the message it brings. You can't make blind people see and understand this truth, no more than you could before your eyes were opened.
Jer 14:14 And the LORD said to me, "The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.
They are intended to be blind and deceived at this time. But one day they will give up their foolish arguments, when the return of Jesus Christ will set everything right.
Eze 21:4 Because I will cut off both righteous and wicked from you, therefore My sword shall go out of its sheath against all flesh from south to north,
v. 5 that all flesh may know that I, the LORD, have drawn My sword out of its sheath; it shall not return anymore."'
v. 6 Sigh therefore, son of man, with a breaking heart, and sigh with bitterness before their eyes.
v. 7 And it shall be when they say to you, "Why are you sighing?' that you shall answer, "Because of the news; when it comes, every heart will melt, all hands will be feeble, every spirit will faint, and all knees will be weak as water. Behold, it is coming and shall be brought to pass,' says the Lord GOD."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Wow Dear God! I absolutely LOVED that verse you quoted Kat, thank you so much for that, what a blessing it was. Truly i feel that very way many times. Sighing in silence...
Absolutely beautiful, one of my new favorite verses!! THANK YOU KAT!
God bless,
Alex
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