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"Specially"
Paul:
--- Quote from: M.G. on July 07, 2008, 01:21:04 AM ---Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)
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See, that's an example of how the word is used these days; and when it's used like that, it denotes exclusivity.
Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."
chuckt:
--- Quote from: Paul on July 06, 2008, 06:34:03 PM ---Why is the word "specially" used in 1 Timothy 4:10 in the King James Version?
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
It seems like specially is just an obsolete synonym for especially.
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Titus 1:10)
Anyone care to chime in?
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specially=Malista = especially, chiefly......
same as especially in:
Ac 26:3 Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently.
Ga 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith
Php 4:22 All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.
2Ti 4:13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments
good old translaters, tis babel, confusion by mixing.
chuckt
Sozo:
--- Quote from: Paul on July 07, 2008, 05:00:17 AM ---Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."
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Word usage provides a much clearer understanding than does etymology. Please allow me to quote John W. Hanson:
"We are aware that nothing is more unsafe and treacherous than the guidance of etymology. An ounce of usage is worth a pound of it. Etymology is theory, usage is fact. For instance, our common word prevent is compounded of præ and venio, to come or go before, and once it had that meaning, but it has long since lost it in common usage, in which it now means to hinder. Suppose two thousand years hence some one should endeavor to prove that in the year 1875 the word prevent meant to go before. He could establish his position by the etymology of the word, but he would be wholly wrong, as would appear by universal usage in our current literature."
So how is this word used in scripture? This word "malista" will be shown in bold below:
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10
Of whom I have no certain thing to write unto my lord. Wherefore I have brought him forth before you, and specially before thee, O king Agrippa, that, after examination had, I might have somewhat to write. Acts 25:26
As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:10
I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews: Especially [because I know] thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently. Acts 26:2-3
All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household. Phillipians 4:22
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Timothy 5:8
Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 1 Timothy 5:17
The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring [with thee], and the books, [but] especially the parchments. 1 Timothy 4:13
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision. Titus 1:10
Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord? Philemon 1:16
Now in light of these scriptures...in light of the usage of this word, can there be any room for doubt. There is no possible way that this word can be interpreted as "exclusively" when we look at the usage of the word!
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Paul on July 07, 2008, 05:00:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: M.G. on July 07, 2008, 01:21:04 AM ---Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)
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See, that's an example of how the word is used these days; and when it's used like that, it denotes exclusivity.
Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."
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"Specially designed" macros are still part of a larger set of macros.
Where did you get "exclusive" to define special, specially or especially? No dictionary that I consulted comes to this conclusion.
Some more examples of special, specially or especially being used to denote a select grouping or a small portion of a greater number being noted for one reason or another.
The team has been playing extremely well, especially the pitchers.
This band has a very tight and disciplined sound, the bass playing and drumming has a special synchronicity not heard very often.
The specially designed ramp allows wheelchairs easy access.
The word(s) does imply a greater degree of something that is in fact part of a greater whole or group but does not cut off or dissipate the rest of the whole or group.
The chosen/elect are a group with a special honor among all the saved, all of humanity.
If 10 fleet of foot people run a race the winner is singled out as "special" but the winner is still a part or portion of a greater group of racers. He may be exclusive as the one winner but not exclusive as the only racer or runner. Eventually all mankind will reach the finish line, the Kingdom of God!
Peace,
Joe
P.S. Missed your post first time around Sozo, very good by the way!
Chris R:
--- Quote from: Paul on July 07, 2008, 05:00:17 AM ---
--- Quote from: M.G. on July 07, 2008, 01:21:04 AM ---Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)
--- End quote ---
See, that's an example of how the word is used these days; and when it's used like that, it denotes exclusivity.
Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."
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1Tim 4:10 is not the best verse in the bible for "universalism," It is ONE of many verses that describe the salvation of all.
Whatever you think "specially" [mä'-lē-stä] (strongs 3122) means, it NEVER mean EXCLUSIVLEY!
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially [mä'-lē-stä] (strongs 3122) of those that believe.
Sorrowing 3600 most of all 3122 for 1909 the words 3056 which 3739 he spake 2046 , that 3754 they should 3195 see 2334 his 846 face 4383 no more 3765. And 1161 they accompanied 4311 him 846 unto 1519 the ship 4143.
Act 25:26 Of 4012 whom 3739 I have 2192 no 3756 certain 804 thing 5100 to write 1125 unto my lord 2962. Wherefore 1352 I have brought 4254 0 him 846 forth 4254 before 1909 you 5216, and 2532 specially 3122 before 1909 thee 4675, O king 935 Agrippa 67, that 3704, after examination 351 had 1096 , I might have 2192 somewhat 5100 to write 1125 .
Act 26:3 Especially 3122 [because I know 1492 ] thee 4571 to be 5607 expert 1109 5037 in all 3956 customs 1485 and 2532 questions 2213 which are among 2596 the Jews 2453: wherefore 1352 I beseech 1189 thee 4675 to hear 191 me 3450 patiently 3116.
Gal 6:10 As 5613 we have 2192 therefore 686 3767 opportunity 2540, let us do 2038 good 18 unto 4314 all 3956 [men], especially 1161 3122 unto 4314 them who are of the household 3609 of faith 4102.
Phl 4:22 All 3956 the saints 40 salute 782 you 5209, 1161 chiefly 3122 they that are of 1537 Caesar's 2541 household 3614.
1Ti 4:10 For 1063 therefore 1519 5124 we 2872 0 both 2532 labour 2872 and 2532 suffer reproach 3679 , because 3754 we trust 1679 in 1909 the living 2198 God 2316, who 3739 is 2076 the Saviour 4990 of all 3956 men 444, specially 3122 of those that believe 4103.
1Ti 5:8 But 1161 if any 1536 provide 4306 not 3756 for his own 2398, and 2532 specially 3122 for those of his own house 3609, he hath denied 720 the faith 4102, and 2532 is 2076 worse than 5501 an infidel 571.
1Ti 5:17 Let 515 0 the elders 4245 that rule 4291 well 2573 be counted worthy 515 of double 1362 honour 5092, especially 3122 they who labour 2872 in 1722 the word 3056 and 2532 doctrine 1319.
2Ti 4:13 The cloke 5341 that 3739 I left 620 at 1722 Troas 5174 with 3844 Carpus 2591, when thou comest 2064 , bring 5342 [with thee], and 2532 the books 975, [but] especially 3122 the parchments 3200.
Tts 1:10 For 1063 there are 1526 many 4183 unruly 506 and 2532 vain talkers 3151 and 2532 deceivers 5423, specially 3122 they of 1537 the circumcision 4061:
Phm 1:16 Not now 3765 as 5613 a servant 1401, but 235 above 5228 a servant 1401, a brother 80 beloved 27, specially 3122 to me 1698, but 1161 how much 4214 more 3123 unto thee 4671, both 2532 in 1722 the flesh 4561, and 2532 in 1722 the Lord 2962?
2Pe 2:10 But 1161 chiefly 3122 them that walk 4198 after 3694 the flesh 4561 in 1722 the lust 1939 of uncleanness 3394, and 2532 despise 2706 government 2963. Presumptuous 5113 [are they], selfwilled 829, they are not 3756 afraid 5141 to speak evil 987 of dignities 1391.
Nowere is "mä'-lē-stä" [adv] Strongs 3122, used to denote exclusivley
Peace
Chris R
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