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Paul

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"Specially"
« on: July 06, 2008, 09:34:03 PM »

Why is the word "specially" used in 1 Timothy 4:10 in the King James Version?

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

It seems like specially is just an obsolete synonym for especially.

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Titus 1:10)

Anyone care to chime in?
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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2008, 09:39:08 PM »

My bible actually uses the term especially.

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Kat

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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2008, 09:50:30 PM »


Hi Paul,

Ray has a section in article no. 6 in the Lake of Fire series on the topic.

http://bible-truths.com/lake6.html ------------------------

Now this truly is a remarkable Scripture. I have had many traitors of the truth tell me that when God speaks of "all" being saved it always means "all saints" or "all in the context" or "all in Christ" or some other "all," just as long as it can never ever mean "all of mankind." But don’t you just know that it is God’s way to shut the mouths of deceivers. Let’s look at I Tim. 4:9-10 in any context you wish:

"This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially of those that believe."

Now had God left off that last phrase, "specially of those that believe," then maybe our detractors could once again say that, "Well, yes, God ‘is the saviour of all men,’ it’s just that He doesn’t actually save all men." Let me now show you how my Pennsylvania farm boy mind works when it comes to a Scripture like this one. God has so tightly book-ended this verse that it is absolutely impossible for even the most devious minds of detractors and traitors of the truth to misrepresent this verse with an ounce of intelligence. This verse is IRON CLAD!

Notice that this verse does not say: "God is the Saviour of ALL MEN, specially ALL MEN," does it? No. And this verse does not say: "God is the Saviour of ALL THAT BELIEVE, specially ALL THAT BELIEVE," does it? No. The "specially of those that believe," BELIEVE. The rest of the "all men" do NOT BELIEVE. These are two different groups—(1)Believers and (2)NON-believers. Since the "believers" are "specially" saved, in relation to the saving of the "all men non-believers," then they will be saved also. See it doesn’t say that God is the Saviour of all men but will ONLY save believers. No, the "all men" ARE SAVED and the "believers" are SPECIALLY SAVED—BOTH will be saved! The word "specially" does not mean "exclusively."

The word "specially" is translated from the Greek word malista, which means "in the greatest degree or particularly" (Strong’s Greek Dictionary p. 155). It is translated "specially," "especially," "chiefly" and "most of all." In every single usage of this word in the New Testament it is used in relation to others who are not excluded, but included in the same subject. Let us notice a few of these so that we can be absolutely convinced in our own minds that the "specially believers" can in no possible way exclude the "all men" of the same verse.

"For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, SPECIALLY [Gk: malista] they of the circumcision" (Titus 1:10).

Is it even necessary that I point out that this verse does not in any way insinuate that the "unruly and vain talkers and deceivers" are ALL from the circumcision ONLY?

"Not now as a servant but above a servant, a brother beloved, SPECIALLY to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?" (Philemon 16).

This verse says for sure that Onesimus was "special" to more than just Paul. And so it is with every single use of this Greek work in the New Testament.

It is absolutely clear and irrefutable that the believers of I Tim. 4:10 are saved in a special way, that is, they are saved before the rest of humanity, and they are given the gift of eonian (age-abiding) life reigning with Christ in the Kingdom of God, ages before the rest of humanity are saved. Only those called and chosen NOW will EVER reign and rule and bring salvation to the rest of the world and to the universe—THIS is a special gift of God to believers being called in this age ONLY. But … BUT, the rest of humanity WILL ALSO BE SAVED (albeit by way of the lake of fire in the great white throne judgment).
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Paul

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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 02:33:54 AM »

Thanks, Kat.

I'd like to see other literature from back then that uses specially as a synonym for especially.
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2008, 04:21:04 AM »

I found this.
http://www.bartleby.com/116/102.html

I was able to watch the Emperor during all these interviews, and noticed the forcible manner in which he spoke, especially to the Sultan's uncle, who came from Fez especially.—Times. (specially)

As it stands, it implies that he came chiefly from Fez, but from other places in a minor degree; it is meant to imply that he came for this particular interview, and had no other motive. The differentiation of spec- and espec- is by no means complete yet, but some uses of each are already ludicrous. Roughly, spec- means particular as opposed to general, espec- particular as opposed to ordinary; but usage must be closely watched.

So it would be

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men [generally speaking], specially [particular as opposed to general] of those that believe.



Here is another explanation that seems to say that specially means it has a special purpose rather than an exceptional or noteworthy quality. That would go along with what Ray taught about being favorites temporarily.

Especially or Specially?

This is a favorite question of grammar checkers. Most of the time there is little or no difference between the words especially and specially.


Special is a common adjective. Specially is its adverb form. Special means "particular, distinguished in a distinct way, or designed for a particular purpose." Specially means "particularly, in a disintguishing manner, or for a particular purpose."


Especial is an uncommon adjective. Especially, its adverb form, is much more common. Especial means "exceptional, noteworthy, or particular." Especially means "exceptionally, in a noteworthy manner, or particularly."


In the sense of "particular" or "particularly," the words mean pretty much the same thing. Often they can be used synonymously. However, if you want to stress the exceptional or noteworthy quality, then especial or especially is a better choice. If you want to stress the distinctive purpose of something, then special or specially is the word you are looking for.


Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)
Example: He did especially well in All-Star Game.
(A noteworthy performance)


http://www.cycnet.com/englishcorner/vocabulary/mistakes/00000287.htm
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Paul

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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2008, 08:00:17 AM »

Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)

See, that's an example of how the word is used these days; and when it's used like that, it denotes exclusivity.

Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."
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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2008, 08:51:18 AM »

Why is the word "specially" used in 1 Timothy 4:10 in the King James Version?

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

It seems like specially is just an obsolete synonym for especially.

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: (Titus 1:10)

Anyone care to chime in?




specially=Malista = especially, chiefly......


same as especially in:

Ac 26:3    Especially because I know thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently. 

Ga 6:10    As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith

Php 4:22    All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household. 

2Ti 4:13    The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments

good old translaters, tis babel, confusion by mixing.

chuckt








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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2008, 11:58:15 AM »

Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."

Word usage provides a much clearer understanding than does etymology.  Please allow me to quote John W. Hanson:

"We are aware that nothing is more unsafe and treacherous than the guidance of etymology. An ounce of usage is worth a pound of it. Etymology is theory, usage is fact. For instance, our common word prevent is compounded of præ and venio, to come or go before, and once it had that meaning, but it has long since lost it in common usage, in which it now means to hinder. Suppose two thousand years hence some one should endeavor to prove that in the year 1875 the word prevent meant to go before. He could establish his position by the etymology of the word, but he would be wholly wrong, as would appear by universal usage in our current literature."

So how is this word used in scripture?  This word "malista" will be shown in bold below:

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 1 Tim 4:10

Of whom I have no certain thing to write unto my lord. Wherefore I have brought him forth before you, and specially before thee, O king Agrippa, that, after examination had, I might have somewhat to write. Acts 25:26

As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all [men], especially unto them who are of the household of faith. Galatians 6:10

I think myself happy, king Agrippa, because I shall answer for myself this day before thee touching all the things whereof I am accused of the Jews: Especially [because I know] thee to be expert in all customs and questions which are among the Jews: wherefore I beseech thee to hear me patiently. Acts 26:2-3

All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household. Phillipians 4:22

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1 Timothy 5:8

Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 1 Timothy 5:17

The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring [with thee], and the books, [but] especially the parchments. 1 Timothy 4:13

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision. Titus 1:10

Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord? Philemon 1:16

Now in light of these scriptures...in light of the usage of this word, can there be any room for doubt.  There is no possible way that this word can be interpreted as "exclusively" when we look at the usage of the word!
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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2008, 12:45:08 PM »

Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)

See, that's an example of how the word is used these days; and when it's used like that, it denotes exclusivity.

Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."

"Specially designed" macros are still part of a larger set of macros.

Where did you get "exclusive" to define special, specially or especially? No dictionary that I consulted comes to this conclusion.

Some more examples of special, specially or especially being used to denote a select grouping or a small portion of a greater number being noted for one reason or another.

The team has been playing extremely well, especially the pitchers.

This band has a very tight and disciplined sound, the bass playing and drumming has a special synchronicity not heard very often.

The specially designed ramp allows wheelchairs easy access.

The word(s) does imply a greater degree of something that is in fact part of a greater whole or group but does not cut off or dissipate the rest of the whole or group.

The chosen/elect are a group with a special honor among all the saved, all of humanity.

If 10 fleet of foot people run a race the winner is singled out as "special" but the winner is still a part or portion of a greater group of racers. He may be exclusive as the one winner but not exclusive as the only racer or runner. Eventually all mankind will reach the finish line, the Kingdom of God!

Peace,

Joe

P.S. Missed your post first time around Sozo, very good by the way!
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Chris R

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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2008, 09:04:49 PM »

Example: This program has specially designed macros for word processors.
(A distinctive purpose)

See, that's an example of how the word is used these days; and when it's used like that, it denotes exclusivity.

Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."

1Tim 4:10 is not the best verse in the bible for "universalism," It is ONE of many verses that describe the salvation of all.

Whatever you think "specially" [mä'-lē-stä] (strongs 3122) means, it NEVER mean EXCLUSIVLEY!

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially [mä'-lē-stä] (strongs 3122) of those that believe.

Sorrowing 3600 most of all 3122 for 1909 the words 3056 which 3739 he spake 2046 , that 3754 they should 3195 see 2334 his 846 face 4383 no more 3765. And 1161 they accompanied 4311 him 846 unto 1519 the ship 4143.

Act 25:26 Of 4012 whom 3739 I have 2192 no 3756 certain 804 thing 5100 to write 1125 unto my lord 2962. Wherefore 1352 I have brought 4254 0 him 846 forth 4254 before 1909 you 5216, and 2532 specially 3122 before 1909 thee 4675, O king 935 Agrippa 67, that 3704, after examination 351 had 1096 , I might have 2192 somewhat 5100 to write 1125 .

Act 26:3 Especially 3122 [because I know 1492 ] thee 4571 to be 5607 expert 1109 5037 in all 3956 customs 1485 and 2532 questions 2213 which are among 2596 the Jews 2453: wherefore 1352 I beseech 1189 thee 4675 to hear 191 me 3450 patiently 3116.

Gal 6:10 As 5613 we have 2192 therefore 686 3767 opportunity 2540, let us do 2038 good 18 unto 4314 all 3956 [men], especially 1161 3122 unto 4314 them who are of the household 3609 of faith 4102.

Phl 4:22 All 3956 the saints 40 salute 782 you 5209, 1161 chiefly 3122 they that are of 1537 Caesar's 2541 household 3614.

1Ti 4:10 For 1063 therefore 1519 5124 we 2872 0 both 2532 labour 2872 and 2532 suffer reproach 3679 , because 3754 we trust 1679 in 1909 the living 2198 God 2316, who 3739 is 2076 the Saviour 4990 of all 3956 men 444, specially 3122 of those that believe 4103.

1Ti 5:8 But 1161 if any 1536 provide 4306 not 3756 for his own 2398, and 2532 specially 3122 for those of his own house 3609, he hath denied 720 the faith 4102, and 2532 is 2076 worse than 5501 an infidel 571.

1Ti 5:17 Let 515 0 the elders 4245 that rule 4291 well 2573 be counted worthy 515 of double 1362 honour 5092, especially 3122 they who labour 2872 in 1722 the word 3056 and 2532 doctrine 1319.

2Ti 4:13 The cloke 5341 that 3739 I left 620 at 1722 Troas 5174 with 3844 Carpus 2591, when thou comest 2064 , bring 5342 [with thee], and 2532 the books 975, [but] especially 3122 the parchments 3200.
 
Tts 1:10 For 1063 there are 1526 many 4183 unruly 506 and 2532 vain talkers 3151 and 2532 deceivers 5423, specially 3122 they of 1537 the circumcision 4061:

Phm 1:16 Not now 3765 as 5613 a servant 1401, but 235 above 5228 a servant 1401, a brother 80 beloved 27, specially 3122 to me 1698, but 1161 how much 4214 more 3123 unto thee 4671, both 2532 in 1722 the flesh 4561, and 2532 in 1722 the Lord 2962?

2Pe 2:10 But 1161 chiefly 3122 them that walk 4198 after 3694 the flesh 4561 in 1722 the lust 1939 of uncleanness 3394, and 2532 despise 2706 government 2963. Presumptuous 5113 [are they], selfwilled 829, they are not 3756 afraid 5141 to speak evil 987 of dignities 1391.

Nowere is "mä'-lē-stä" [adv] Strongs 3122, used to denote exclusivley

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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2008, 10:41:50 PM »

This was certainly the verse (statement) that convinced me, with Ray's exposition.

It's helpful to me to remember that THIS was what the Apostle's taught and what the earliest church believed.  Knowing that, it makes perfect sense that other mentions of the subject simply assumed that ALL meant ALL--there was no speedbump of an 'eternal Hell' doctrine which we, looking back, have to navigate.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 01:17:01 AM »

1Tim 4:10 is not the best verse in the bible for "universalism," It is ONE of many verses that describe the salvation of all.

1 Timothy 4:10 is the number 1 verse for universal salvation. It's the only verse that makes it clear that all literally means everyone. And Ray agrees with me. That's why he wrote that whole article about it Kat posted above.

Whatever you think "specially" [mä'-lē-stä] (strongs 3122) means, it NEVER mean EXCLUSIVLEY!

Forget malista for a second. The English word specially can most definitely carry exclusivity with it. If something is specially made for me... Don't you see? It can indirectly mean exclusivity. However, the way the word specially is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete. When do you see a comma specially in modern English. It's being used as a synonym for especially (and, of course, especially doesn't mean exclusively)
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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 06:47:51 AM »

Paul,

1 Tim 4:10 is by no means the only verse that makes it clear that the Potter will save all of his pots... once your eyes are opened you will see it all throughout all of the scriptures.  I promise you... once your eyes are open you see this as a common thread throughout... it is everywhere, everywhere.  I am amazed daily that no matter where I am in the Bible I find this message of the good news.

When you insist on arguing with some of the key teachings of bible-truths however it feels as if you are only trying to sow discord... that you are attempting to cause division among the members of this body.

This is part of our core... and we come here in agreement with what Ray is sharing with us... not to argue or debate it.  The forum rules state that if you strongly disagree to email Ray directly... this is not the place to argue.  There are hundreds if not thousands of other forums on the internet to debate scriptural topics... this is not one of them.  If you do not agree with us then simply shake the dust from your sandals and move on.

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Re: "Specially"
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2008, 08:20:46 AM »

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If something is specially made for me... Don't you see? It can indirectly mean exclusivity.

Yes Paul, you are correct I see where you can see exclusivity in your statement.

If I say, "I make suits specially for Paul" that can mean exclusivity.  But of course if I say, "I make suits for all men but specially for Paul" then that is not exclusive.  I'm glad you see the difference.

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Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."

No I see no way that verse can ever be interpreted exclusively.
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2008, 08:29:18 AM »

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5605.0.html

Read the above transcription from Ray's Audio does all mean all, it will help with your study.

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2008, 08:36:18 AM »

Bobby,

That is a very perspective observation, the appearance of sowing discord or being contrary for the sole purpose of debating is something we are admonished to refrain from; [Rom 1:29-32, 2Cor 12:20]

If a car is "specially" equipped on the production line does that mean that all the other cars are to be deemed obsolete and demolished?

If a computer is "specially" equipped with a braille keyboard does that mean all other keyboards are worthless and should be destroyed?

If a child is "specially" gifted in math do we then refrain from teaching the other children mathmatics?

As I (and others) stated earlier in this thread being "special" is not being totally unique, standing alone without comparison to anything like it, it is just another part of a greater whole that may have attributes or handicaps which differentiates from the status quo.

Peace,

Joe
 
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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2008, 10:01:46 AM »

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If something is specially made for me... Don't you see? It can indirectly mean exclusivity.

Yes Paul, you are correct I see where you can see exclusivity in your statement.

If I say, "I make suits specially for Paul" that can mean exclusivity.  But of course if I say, "I make suits for all men but specially for Paul" then that is not exclusive.  I'm glad you see the difference.

Yes, and as a matter of fact 1 Timothy 4:10, in the Tyndale New Testament, the first predecessor to the KJV, reads just like your second example:

For therefore we labour and suffer rebuke because we believe in the living god which is the saviour of all men: but specially of those that believe.

 :)

But I'm gonna point out that your second example is bad English. You simply can't use specially in the same ways they did back in the 15th and 16th centuries.

"I make suits for all men but specially for Paul"

Who would say that? Wouldn't a person say "I make suits for all men; but for Paul, I make them specially."

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Because the way the word is used in 1 Timothy 4:10 and Titus 1:10 is obsolete (a flat-out synonym for especially), the best verse for Universalism in the Bible doesn't make sense. On the contrary, one could interpret it to mean "exclusively of those who believe."

No I see no way that verse can ever be interpreted exclusively.
Craig

The only place I've ever seen a comma specially -- specially as a synonym for especially ("...many unruly and vain talkers, specially they of the circumcision." Tit. 1:10) is in the King James Bible and its predecessors. All I'm saying is the verse probably doesn't sound right to a lot of people. Specially is never used that way in modern English. Notice how you used "but specially" in your suits example above. You put a but there because just putting specially after a comma doesn't make sense in today's English.

I like bibletruths.com, specially the Lake of Fire series.

See? It sounds out of place. A person might not associate the word with especially; they might associate it with its exclusivity connotation. So far I've heard two King James Onlyists interpret the verse the following way:

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is specially the savior of those that believe.

Even that doesn't necessarily mean Jesus is only the savior of those that believe. However, when you interpret the verse that way, it loses its value. It leaves open the question of whether or not non-believers will be saved.

All I'm saying is that in our day and age, the word specially can bear that exclusivity connotation quite often; the way its used in 1 Timothy 4:10 is obsolete. Thus, a person might not see past the context; they're mind will just go: specially: exclusively. It's understandable that a person wouldn't see the verse as proof (the ultimate proof) of Universal salvation.

However

I fail to see any excuse for not realizing the word does mean especially after seeing Titus 1:10.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2008, 10:33:22 AM »

O.K

Remember though, even if Timothy would happen to read

"For therefore we labour and suffer rebuke because we believe in the living god which is the saviour specially of those that believe."

A statement of fact is not necessarily a statement of limitation, you would have to consider all the scripture and as Bobby said the good news of a Father who will save all mankind is everywhere, and I do mean EVERYWHERE in scripture.

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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2008, 10:40:29 AM »

O.K

Remember though, even if Timothy would happen to read

"For therefore we labour and suffer rebuke because we believe in the living god which is the saviour specially of those that believe."

A statement of fact is not necessarily a statement of limitation

Yup, that's the phrase I needed  :)
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2008, 11:10:30 AM »


Hi Paul,

For those that have their eyes opened, that is a solid proof Scripture.  Now for those who have not had their eyes opened, they will have plenty of excuses not to believe this.  They see nothing spiritual in any of the words of the Bible.  The Bible is not a spiritual book to them and they can not understand these spiritual truths.  

I think the King James Onlyists are trying to make that translation of the Bible more important than the message it brings.  You can't make blind people see and understand this truth, no more than you could before your eyes were opened.  

Jer 14:14  And the LORD said to me, "The prophets prophesy lies in My name. I have not sent them, commanded them, nor spoken to them; they prophesy to you a false vision, divination, a worthless thing, and the deceit of their heart.

They are intended to be blind and deceived at this time.  But one day they will give up their foolish arguments, when the return of Jesus Christ will set everything right.

Eze 21:4  Because I will cut off both righteous and wicked from you, therefore My sword shall go out of its sheath against all flesh from south to north,
v. 5  that all flesh may know that I, the LORD, have drawn My sword out of its sheath; it shall not return anymore."'
v. 6  Sigh therefore, son of man, with a breaking heart, and sigh with bitterness before their eyes.
v. 7  And it shall be when they say to you, "Why are you sighing?' that you shall answer, "Because of the news; when it comes, every heart will melt, all hands will be feeble, every spirit will faint, and all knees will be weak as water. Behold, it is coming and shall be brought to pass,' says the Lord GOD."

mercy, peace and love
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