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fstamp:
I'm new to the forum, and this is my first posting.  I recently listened on-line to a sermon titled "Is There Really A Hell" given by our Pastor.  My wife and I have been attending this non-denominational church since 2006. This is the first time I've heard him teach on the subject of Hell.  Parts of his sermon reminded me of the sermon  "The Seven Wonders Of Hell" given by John Hagee.  My Pastor stated, in substance, that to deny Hell is to deny Jesus. And if we deny Jesus we deny Salvation.  He also stated that no one can deny Hell without denying the bible, that if there is no Hell there is no Heaven, that no one is sent to Hell they go there by choice.  He stated it's "Fair" and that "Justice demands Hell." 

My wife wants to continue going to our church, but I have mixed feelings about it.  I'm not sure I can continue going as I don't believe in his teaching. I also didn't agree with his teaching on the subject of Tithing. It's causing me emotional stress as we have known him and his wife for two years.

Please help guide me in the right direction.

Thanks, Fstamp...

Kat:

Hi Fstamp,

Welcome to the forum  :) 

I take it that you have read some of the articles at Bible_Truths.com and now you are seeing that there are false teaching in the church. 
In the sermon you heard from your pastor you just got more of their false rhetoric.  Until you have studied the articles on Bible-truths and have proven to yourself from the Scripture how evil this doctrine of hell is, you certainly will not be able to help your wife understand. 

I think at this point you need to determine for yourself what the Bible really says.  Ray goes into great detail to show beyond any doubt what the 'original' Scripture teach.  You owe it to yourself to read through those articles and see the truth of the Scriptures.  Then you will not be so easily swayed by all these false teachings.

Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
v. 14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Dave in Tenn:
Once you've done what Kat suggested...and assuming you ultimately believe that the 'hell' preached in most churches does NOT exist (instead, something more wonderful and profound exists)...then you are left to decide whether you want to spend an hour or more a week under the influence of somebody who would teach it.



It doesn't surpise me at all that your pastor 'sounds like' Hagee.  I speak from some experience in telling you that most pastors at least some of the time get their sermons from other preachers rather than from the scripture--no matter what they preach or believe. 

 

winner08:
fstamp: read Rays lake of fire series on the home page of Bible-truth. These readings will amaze you and open your eyes like never before. You will see the truth. Myself, after 20 yrs. of searching I finally know the truth and it is terrific! This is a great site and the people here are wonderful. They will help you anyway they can, you'll see. Most of us have been through the same stuff you have. Going to a certain church that teaches man made christian doctrine. For yrs and yrs not knowing the truth. Welcome to the truth, enjoy.


                                         Darren

Samson:

--- Quote from: fstamp on July 09, 2008, 09:51:30 PM ---I'm new to the forum, and this is my first posting.  I recently listened on-line to a sermon titled "Is There Really A Hell" given by our Pastor.  My wife and I have been attending this non-denominational church since 2006. This is the first time I've heard him teach on the subject of Hell.  Parts of his sermon reminded me of the sermon  "The Seven Wonders Of Hell" given by John Hagee.  My Pastor stated, in substance, that to deny Hell is to deny Jesus. And if we deny Jesus we deny Salvation.  He also stated that no one can deny Hell without denying the bible, that if there is no Hell there is no Heaven, that no one is sent to Hell they go there by choice.  He stated it's "Fair" and that "Justice demands Hell." 

My wife wants to continue going to our church, but I have mixed feelings about it.  I'm not sure I can continue going as I don't believe in his teaching. I also didn't agree with his teaching on the subject of Tithing. It's causing me emotional stress as we have known him and his wife for two years.

Please help guide me in the right direction.

Thanks, Fstamp...




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Hello Fstamp & Welcome to the forum,


                                                       What your Pastor seems to be using is " Circular Reasoning "(maybe I'm incorrect), but when he says Denying Hell equals Denying Jesus equals Denying Salvation. Firstly the Greek Word Hades mistranslated Hell is equivalent to the Hebrew word Sheol both meaning imperceptable, the unseen place where dead people are really dead likened to a deep sleep, no conscious thought, awaiting a Resurrection. Where was Lazarus when he died, before Jesus Resurrected him, Jesus said that Lazarus has died, he's asleep; John. 11:5-26. Where was Lazarus during that interim period while dead and not yet Resurrected by Jesus, he was in that tomb, dead, without consciousness, asleep. Jesus loved Lazarus and he was his friend; If Lazarus was conscious somewhere before Jesus resurrected him, he might have been highly upset about being raised back to this wicked world.

                                Read Rays Articles about Sheol, Hades, Gehenna and The Lake of Fire series, I'm sure he will explain things much better than me. Your Pastor like most people looks at things as having to all transpire in one lifetime: Getting Saved, Repentance, Forgiveness, he might believe that all the correction a person requires to get saved must take place in an individuals Lifetime(70-80 yrs if were lucky). One last point about the word Hell, most translations of the Bible render three Greek words: Hades, Gehenna and Tartarus as Hell or Hell-fire, sometimes they put Gehenna in the footnotes below in the Twelve places of the New Testament where Gehenna should be in the main text, instead of Hell-fire. In Old Testament times Gehenna was equivalent to the Valley of the son of Hinnon, a garbage dump where the carcasses of dead animals, criminals who they thought were not worthy of a decent burial and the trash of the City, nothing thrown in that garbage dump was alive when brought their for disposal, the fires of Gehenna do not represent literal fire, it's spiritual fire. I will stop at this point and let Ray's writings fully explain what that spiritual fire does for our benefit, not our detriment.

                                     Anyway, glad you have joined us and hope you enjoy the fellowship and instruction from Ray in learning God's Truth's, because Ray tells it like it is, no watering down the Scriptures, he digs deep to be sure.

                                                        Samson.

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