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What Is Luke Trying To Tell Us?
bluzman:
--- Quote from: Heidi on July 17, 2008, 10:22:03 PM ---Thanks both Joe and Dave for your reply....there is so much to learn....I feel a bit overwhelmed ???
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Luke 21
29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees. 30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near. 31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.
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Joey...do the above highlighted mean God's elect? (All the fig trees)
Thanks to all of you, I am learning sooooo much!!!
[/quote]Hello Heidi, I too have been wanting to know more about this parable. Ray says to pay attention to all the words, and when I do there seems to be more and more questions. I feel that I am in over my head when I try to understand anything in Scripture on my own.
Would you more mature members give us some help on this?
Look at: could this mean pay attention?
Fig tree: singular or the genre of the species of tree?
All the other trees: fig trees in parables?
Why so often does Jesus refer to the fig in particular so often?
I see also that the fig tree is mentioned a lot in the Old Testament.
I have discovered that the fig has two crops, one in the spring known as the first crop and one in the fall known as the main crop.
Does this make any sense?
Bluzman
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on July 29, 2009, 05:23:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: ez2u on July 29, 2009, 03:31:49 PM ---in this scripture:
Jon 21:25 Of course, Jesus also did many other things, and I suppose that if every one of them were written down the world couldn't contain the books that would be written.
was this an add on or is it truly in the text? I thought it was an add on. that is add in the text at an later time.
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Peggy,you are correct,the entire verse of John 21;25 is a Spurious Passage .
Peace...Mark
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I don't want to make too big a deal of it, but whether or not this verse is scripture, it remains true. It's also true for each and every one of us. If we can keep our crazy carnal imaginations from thinking He said and did other things which contradicted those things which were recorded, we can have a richer picture of His life in the flesh. It's also helpful to remember that we can't have our life histories and full faith printed on a bumper-sticker or contained in posts on a web-forum.
bluzman:
Hi Dave, I posted a few questions just above your post. It was done poorly and you may have not seen it.
Would you please take a look there. Thanks Bluzman
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 30, 2009, 10:13:30 AM ---
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on July 29, 2009, 05:23:36 PM ---
--- Quote from: ez2u on July 29, 2009, 03:31:49 PM ---in this scripture:
Jon 21:25 Of course, Jesus also did many other things, and I suppose that if every one of them were written down the world couldn't contain the books that would be written.
was this an add on or is it truly in the text? I thought it was an add on. that is add in the text at an later time.
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Peggy,you are correct,the entire verse of John 21;25 is a Spurious Passage .
Peace...Mark
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I don't want to make too big a deal of it, but whether or not this verse is scripture, it remains true. It's also true for each and every one of us. If we can keep our crazy carnal imaginations from thinking He said and did other things which contradicted those things which were recorded, we can have a richer picture of His life in the flesh. It's also helpful to remember that we can't have our life histories and full faith printed on a bumper-sticker or contained in posts on a web-forum.
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Dave, thank you for the post.I will agree with you,whether or not this is actual Scripture, ??? well, ,I could not say for certain either. And there are bits of fruit in the verse to ponder.But since this is BT's and we are here for the truths of the Spirit,and it seems that Spurious Passage do exist,I will continue using them until they are proven wrong.
Peace...Mark
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: bluzman on July 30, 2009, 10:01:01 AM ---Hello Heidi, I too have been wanting to know more about this parable. Ray says to pay attention to all the words, and when I do there seems to be more and more questions. I feel that I am in over my head when I try to understand anything in Scripture on my own.
Would you more mature members give us some help on this?
Look at: could this mean pay attention?
Fig tree: singular or the genre of the species of tree?
All the other trees: fig trees in parables?
Why so often does Jesus refer to the fig in particular so often?
I see also that the fig tree is mentioned a lot in the Old Testament.
I have discovered that the fig has two crops, one in the spring known as the first crop and one in the fall known as the main crop.
Does this make any sense?
Bluzman
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Hello Bluzman...I hope these scriptures can be of assistance:
Luke 17:20-21 ...He [Jesus] was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh NOT with observation [Gk. 'stand & watch', watch with eyes of the flesh]: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Ezek 36:26-28 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. And ye shall dwell in the land [New Jerusalem] that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God
Matt 7:17-19 Even so every good tree [like a 'fig tree'] bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree [ALSO like a 'fig tree'] bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
A fig tree bringing forth fruit is similar to leaven 'leavening' the whole...you can have good fruit or corrupt fruit...similar to good leaven and bad leaven.
Good Leaven
Matt 13:33 Another parable spake he [Jesus] unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Luke 13:20-21 And again he [Jesus] said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
Lev 7:12-13 If he offer it for a thanksgiving, then he shall offer with the sacrifice of thanksgiving unleavened cakes mingled with oil, and unleavened wafers anointed with oil, and cakes mingled with oil, of fine flour, fried. Besides the cakes, he shall offer for his offering leavened bread with the sacrifice of thanksgiving of his peace offerings.
Bad Leaven
Matt 16:6 & 12 Then Jesus said unto them [His disciples], Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees...Then understood they how that He bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Luke 12:1 ...He [Jesus] began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
1 Cor 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even CHRIST OUR PASSOVER is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
Exo 9:19-21 Seven days shall there be no leaven found in your houses: for whosoever eateth that which is leavened, even that soul shall be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he be a stranger, or born in the land. Ye shall eat nothing leavened; in all your habitations shall ye eat unleavened bread. Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel, and said unto them, Draw out and take you a lamb according to your families, and kill the passover. [a shadow/type of: CHRIST OUR PASSOVER]
When God begins to work IN you, He removes the old, corrupt leaven ('beware the leaven of the Pharisees') and then replaces with the new, good leaven ('a new heart and new spirit IN YOU'...'the kingdom of heaven is LIKE leaven'...'the kingdom of heaven is within you').
Similar to the fruit of the fig tree...the carnal mind produces corrupt fruit (works) which Christ is able to whither to nothing [Matt 21:19, Mark 11:14] but then able to produce good fruit through the spirit of God [Luke 21:29-31, Prov 27:18].
Sorry to be so long winded and hope this helps,
Marques
P.S. Remember, Ray has taught us that the scriptures say that all the parables are the same thing [Mark 4:13], just from different perspectives.
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