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Why "Soul" and "Spirit"?
Steve Crook:
1Ti 6:1-8
(1) Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
(2) And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
(3) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
(4) He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
(5) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
(6) But godliness with contentment is great gain.
(7) For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
(8 ) And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
2Ti 2:23-26
(23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.
(24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
(25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
(26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
eutychus:
--- Quote from: Steve Crook ---1Ti 6:1-8
(1) Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
(2) And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
(3) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
(4) He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
(5) Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
(6) But godliness with contentment is great gain.
(7) For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
(8 ) And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
2Ti 2:23-26
(23) But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do engender strifes.
(24) And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
(25) In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
(26) And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
--- End quote ---
why dont you just say what you mean?
eutychus:
Again this is a legit questiopn poses for you all.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed5301 into his nostrils the breath5397 of life; and man became a living soul.5315
at what point did God breath into you and you became a living soul??
or was this act in gen. a one time thing that was passed on to the human race??
thanks
chuckt
Lightseeker:
--- Quote from: eutychus ---Body and Breath of life (Spirit) = SOUL!
when is a body a body? at conception? when does God breath into a fetus?
when does she soul come alive? at conception or at first breath?
when does the spirit enter into a body? at conception?
--- End quote ---
Great question Euty,
It's also the one which was answered and influenced Bill Clinton to endorse abortion. He was taught that there is a difference between respiration and breathing...which there is. The lungs are not functioning in the womb. And cellular respiration is via the mother's blood supply. Therefore a fetus is not a breathing creature...until it draws breath at birth.
As far as when does the spirit enter the body???
[RSV] ECC 11:5 As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.
I've only found this explanation in the RSV translation. I especially like that last part about how we don't know the work of God...nearly as well as we think IMO.
Exodus also seems to place a different value on the "life" of a fetus versus that of a birthed child, at least in the RSV again. If only a miscarriage takes place there is a fine. But if the mother dies...then it is a life for a life.
EXO 21:22 "When men strive together, and hurt a woman with child, so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no harm follows, the one who hurt her shall be fined, according as the woman's husband shall lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.23 If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life,
Laren:
I find this interesting, not sure if it really means anything in regards to this thread
Luk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
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