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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Amrhrasach on July 17, 2008, 09:09:25 AM ---Lucid.
Your "point", paragraph 11 speaks volumes to me.
Thank you Joe.
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Me too Brother, me too!
You are very welcome,
Joe
--- Quote from: KristaD on July 17, 2008, 09:15:06 AM ---
Wow, Joe, I've never seen those scriptures that way. You are absolutely right, we should be treating each other as family. It's just so hard, for me at least, to find the balance between love/forgiveness/patience and reprove/rebuke/exhort ?? I always try (with my family especially) to do both at the same time but it seems that most people think that rebuking a sin is a judgment of them and the opposite of love. So what do we do? This is something I have been struggling with lately.
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Hi Krista,
I certainly can empathize with what you wrote, it is difficult even with our own families, now we have two to deal with!
Mat 12:46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. (I just noticed how extremely important the second comma is in this verse!) ;)
Mat 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother and sister and mother.
As to your second point we have this to contemplate;
Mat 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
Mat 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.
Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
You are right Sister, it ain't easy! But all things are possible with God.
Peace,
Joe
P.S.
Kweli, there is nothing I can add to your post, very thoughtful comments and most worthy of contemplation.
His Peace and Wisdom to you all,
Joe
Samson:
Hello Joe,
I greatly appreciated your Post, it's true that sometimes we say something unintentionally towards others and it's bound to happen. My Philosophy(just a figure of speech) is that unless someone Posts something that is clearly Heresy to these teachings, their is no need for others to criticize another's view point or feelings. We should be cautious to not attach the individual as Ray expresses in his E-mails, He often states that he doesn't attach the individual, instead he addresses the heritical teaching expressed by these individuals. I think of Jesus when interacting with the common rank & file people of his time being consoling, non-judgemental, forgiving; realizing they are " beaten up " enough by the outside World(Religious Leaders, Polititians and the rich affluent class) and he proceeded to show mercy to those humble and downcast. Most of his criticism was directed to the Religious Leaders as expressed at Matthew Chapter 24.
My approach when confronted with a comment directed toward me that could be contrued as offensive or a slight is to try hard to apply the counsel at Romans.12:16-21. On one occasion, a couple of months ago I retaliated to a forum member, apparently they hit a nerve when criticizing the thread I started, it was corrected by the Moderators and life goes on. After that episode(learning experience), I really try to just, not reply and let it go. If someone Posts something that might be contrued as Heritical or leaning towards Heresy, I think it's better to let the Moderators handle it. Instead of trying to correct everyone else, I need to look inwards at myself and when I become flawless(Ha Ha), then I will be in a position to scrutinize others, besides if an individual has a beef or complaint, they should go to that person privately(personal message) in harmony with Matthew. 18:15-17, don't make these little petty differences public.
These are only my opinions and feelings, even though I realize what it says at 1Peter. 4:12, " Beloved ones, do not be puzzled at the burning among you, which is happening to you for a trial, as through a strange thing were befalling you". This Scripture is certainly presenting the facts, but humility on our parts can help minimize it's affects.
Your Brother, Samson.
mharrell08:
Great post Joe...well said
Marques
OBrenda:
Perfection....Joe!
I was initially surprised with some of the tension, but it felt very familiar to me just like my family! Our flesh always seeks what is comfortable! The way I understand it, no one person can demonstrate all Gods Wisdom & Counsel. We are called the Body of Christ, we have different parts, (personalities) that He created and designed to function to do Gods Pleasure. Why do the ones that are Hands, despise and war with those that are feet? Because we don't understand or recognize Christ in them.
In my family my "Didactic Personality" is not always appreciated. If someone comes to me with something, I'm wired to respond with Suggestions and point out another way of looking at the situation! It was a great revelation to me to find out sometimes people don't need ME to fix or figure it out, they just wanted a hug or understanding and just someone to listen to them.
There are also those that just seem to plant themselves in the Mud, and all the support and listening doesn't get them out of the Mud Hole. And they need someone to say "Hey You Need A Shower"!
Don't you see this in the posts with the different responses?
Look....if I'm starting to smell funky I want people around me who aren't afraid to stick out their hand and help to shove me in a Shower! Will my feelings be hurt? You can count on it! Hopefully someone else will hand me a bar of soap and a nice clean towel and tell me about how they fell in a mud puddle themselves!
I'm trying to grow into being sensitive to how God would have me respond, and not just lean on "God just made me this Way" God hasn't finished making us......If so I better pack my sunglasses and sunscreen! 8)
(I'm trying to overcome my Pride and know It All arrogance!)
With all of you as my Family I can only Grow in the Hope we are all awaiting...
gmik:
Great food for thought Joe.
Hey, Matthew. Glad you are back on! Hope the transition to CA went well. Glad you are back in the good ole' USA.
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