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Does God Talk?
Dave in Tenn:
There's no doubt that God was using you to plant a seed. I fear that you may be rushing in in enthusiasm, but I don't know what you've already told them.
Couldn't you start with "Jesus loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life?" ;D ;D ;D That's true, isn't it? I mean, meat for babies is not very motherly. :D
winner08:
Does God talk? Well Jesus did say nobody has ever heard the voice of God or seen Him. Now, that being said, our Lord does use messengers and other means to speak to us. Useing dreams is another way. Maby intuition. But as far as hearing God's voice, no.
Darren
musicman:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on July 17, 2008, 08:58:52 PM ---There's no doubt that God was using you to plant a seed. I fear that you may be rushing in in enthusiasm, but I don't know what you've already told them.
Couldn't you start with "Jesus loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life?" ;D ;D ;D That's true, isn't it? I mean, meat for babies is not very motherly. :D
--- End quote ---
Dave, no offense, but every churchy says those two lines. Usually when churchaholics say that, their saying that people are just screwing up His plans. Personally, I don't think God plans anything. He does things and things happen. Now, since we don't know His purpose for us, we should live each moment knowing that God is in complete control. We should search for truth and share it in small doses. Perhaps, start with God's love but include His sovereignty. Explain what God's love involves (blessings, chastenings, but ultimately, savation for all). If anybody's still hanging around asking questions after this, then you can start on the "no free will" or "hell is a blasphamis hoax" or "I think a Lucifer is something that I blow out of my nose". But when I hear those two lines you mentioned, it's usually from some churchahoy who is talking out of the side of his/her mouth.
By the way, if something like "Christ will save all" can be spelled out in one scripture, then it is the milk of the word.
Dave in Tenn:
Hey man, none taken. I know that's a pretty 'churchy' thing, hence the smilies. I've even said it a few times door-to-door. LOL.
I guess my main point is that not everybody shares the same heresies with the same level of vehemence. It would seem better to me to let the other person raise the questions or even objections rather than assume they have them.
I know even reading some of Ray's articles that he may spend a great deal of time refuting some churchy belief that I never believed in the first place. I'm sure if he were talking just to me, he might let some of that slide and get straight to the point.
Then again, maybe there's method to his madness.
Anyways...it's easy for me to say what Eileen should or shouldn't do. I just hope I remember it when it comes my turn.
digitalwise:
Hi mharrell08
--- Quote ---1. If this guy that you heard on the Christian radio station believed in the truths of God's Word, the radio station would not have let him have 5 seconds on the air.
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The radio is just another form of communication. Used by true or false ministers. If we state the above and APPLY it then we could also say that if Ray were allowed on Radio he would be false. This is simply not a good statement. We could also apply this to another COMMUNICATION medium - the Internet.
--- Quote ---2. As Ray says, does light [So let your light so shine before men...Matt. 5:16] and salt [Ye are the salt of the earth...Matt. 5:13] make any noise?
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True - but on the other hand we are to do the following:
Proverbs 8
Wisdom's Call
1 Does not wisdom call out?
Does not understanding raise her voice?
2 On the heights along the way,
where the paths meet, she takes her stand;
3 beside the gates leading into the city,
at the entrances, she cries aloud:
4 "To you, O men, I call out;
I raise my voice to all mankind.
5 You who are simple, gain prudence;
you who are foolish, gain understanding.
6 Listen, for I have worthy things to say;
I open my lips to speak what is right.
and...
2 Corinthians 4:13
It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak,
Ephesians 4:15
Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
Ephesians 5:19
Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord,
James 2:12
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom,
1 Peter 4:11
If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.
--- Quote ---3. If your co-workers were serious in learning scriptural truths, they would not be halfway serious and joking about it. I mean think about it, were you halfway serious and joking around when you began seeking the truth?
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Discussing bible in our troubled world is a noble thing faithful thing before our Lord. The other is what is called a "value" judgement" on the co-workers which may be correct.
As for hearing God's Voice:
Psalm 95:7
for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. Today, if you hear his voice,
Song of Solomon 2:14
[ Lover ] My dove in the clefts of the rock, in the hiding places on the mountainside, show me your face, let me hear your voice; for your voice is sweet, and your face is lovely. [natural or spiritual?]
And a prophetic word from Isaiah applicable for ME and you!
Isaiah 30:20-22 (New International Version)
20 Although the Lord gives you the bread of adversity and the water of affliction, your teachers will be hidden no more; with your own eyes you will see them. 21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, "This is the way; walk in it." 22 Then you will defile your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, "Away with you!"
bye for now
digitalwise.
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