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1 Timothy 2:4
Paul:
And I'd like to point out that 1 Timothy 4:10 is much more concrete proof that all will be saved:
For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe. (NKJV)
chav:
Hi Paul
I'm currently re reading LOF part 5 ,and Ray goes into some detail about that verse in this paper.
http://bible-truths.com/lake5.html
Dave
David:
If God wishes, wills, desires, has an inclination towards, or however else theologians wish to translate this or any other verses, God WILL bring the salvation of ALL men to pass.
Have a listen to Ray's Febuary 2008 Bible study, Foundational truths.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: David on July 21, 2008, 02:47:21 AM ---
Have a listen to Ray's Febuary 2008 Bible study, Foundational truths.
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That's today's homework assignment for me, David.
Why, oh why are there so many Davids in this forum?
"What do you think, David?"
"I don't know...let's ask Dave."
"Which Dave?"
"I meant David."
"Oh THAT one. I asked him already and he said, 'Hey, don't ask me, David!"
"Well, I guess there are other Dave's that might have the answer."
"Ordinarily, I wouldn't say this, but the odds are stacked heavily in favor of SOME Dave or David knowing why there are so many of us here."
"Yep. Evolution is flimsier science that one, David."
Just another David.
Samson:
--- Quote from: fstamp on July 20, 2008, 11:24:49 AM ---My wife's Authorized King James Version (1985-translated out of the original tongues) renders this verse "who WILL have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
"The New Testament" translated from the Sinaitic manuscript discovered by Constantine Tischendorf at Mt. Sinai renders this same verse as "who WILLS that all men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth."
American Standard-ASV 1901 renders it "who WOULD have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth.
I've also seen the words "wishes" and "desires" being used in this verse.
CONFUSED?
Thanks, FSTAMP...
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Hello FSTAMP,
This is an interesting Thread as I just got finished discussing the Salvation of All belief with an outside family member. From what I understand regarding 1 Timothy. 2:3,4 and 1 Timothy 4:10 is that the Greek Word for Will in these Scriptures are the " Strong and Absolute Form of WILL " instead of the weaker Form of Will that is usually rendered " wants "; " desire's "; or " wishes ". It's the same form of the Word WILL that's used at Matthew. 6:9 " Thy WILL be done. However, when God WILLS, WANTS, DESIRE'S OR WISHES to do something, it's a perfectly done deal. The people that believe in Free Will and don't believe in Eventual Salvation for All, look at that word WILL in these passages as " wishfull thinking " on God's part that would require a person's " Free Will " in order to be accomplished by God. If God has the WILL OR DESIRE to do something, Man's will can't prevent it.
See and read or re-read Ray's Transcript entitled " Does All mean All " , it explains All(no pun intended) about this(Will, All(gk-pas); etc.) Read 2 Peter. 3:9 regarding God wills or desire's that None perish. This proves that all will be saved. If God WILLS THAT NONE PERISH, then it logically has to prove that everyone else is going to be saved, because their are two groups, the None Group( no person in this group, it's empty), which leaves through process of elimination and deductive reasoning that everyone else has to be in the Saved group.
Hope this helps, If not, my apologies, then proceed to re-read Ray's article mentioned above.
Kind Regards, Samson.
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