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The devil is in the details
Samson:
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Hi Darren,
--- Quote ---Now with this one word it changes the meaning of the text for me. So this makes me wonder just how many times I read a certain verse and it is not relay what I think it is because of a word might have a different meaning than what i know the word to means in English.
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This is one of the points that Ray makes in the Bible study 'Does a sovereign God ever change?' I just finished the transcript and here are a few comments Ray makes.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7714.0.html -------
Whenever we’re studying the Scripture we are faced with false definitions, bad translations, contradictions and the theory of ‘free will.’ These are all major road blocks to understanding the Scriptures.
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That’s why when I really want to study a subject, I mean if that word appears 158 times in the Bible, thank God for E-Sword, because I’ll click on every one. I’ll do two things; I see how it is used in a sentence, in context and I’ll see if it is the same word. It may be translated from all different words and then you’ve got to take that into consideration. That’s one area where a concordant is really good.
They tried to be unbiased when they translated the Scriptures. So they came up with an equivalent of every Hebrew or Greek word. In other words they studied it and examined it in every way and found the very closest English equivalent to that word. Now sometimes because of idolisms and other things you can’t go with that, but a lot of times you can. But then they would translate it to that and they would say, ‘well yea we think…’ but that’s your prejudice. That is the King James Bible talking, you see. No, they’ve already determined that word means this, so they would translate it to that. Now sometimes it comes out a little awkward, but it’s at least considerably more accurate.
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The Scriptures are true. Every word of translation is not always true. But the Scriptures are true. Even the Scriptures may have some mistakes, we have some that don’t have a verse or don’t have a word. There is hardly any copies of the Greek or Hebrew Scriptures, that you can separate by a hundred years or so, that are all exactly perfect. You know even though they counted the letters and everything, but they still are not completely the same. But for the most part there is a consistency there.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Well Said Kat,
I especially liked the point you expressed about the Translater's desire to translate a word with the closest English word available, but sometimes their BIASED OPINION ON WHAT THAT WORD MEANS AFFECTS HOW THEY RENDER THE WORD AND VERSE. A Forum member(John) and I were talking about that very thing this morning on the telephone. In the New Testament Greek, because their's no punctuation or prepositions in the literal translation, they can arbitrarily decide where a comma or period should go, where the word IN OR A should be. Two simple examples of that are Luke. 23:43( Truly I tell you today you will be with me in paradise); we know the deal with the comma in this passage and where they usually put it(before the word Today) and John. 4:24( God is Spirit); they put an A after is in some translations. Anyway, very good information expressed by Kat.
In God's Love, Samson.
winner08:
Hello everbody and thanks for sharing your insite on this subject. I do have a question.I was wondering if ya'll could help me with. Today a friend and I had to take a road trip about 2hrs. and we dicussed God all the way. We had gotten into a heavy discussion on the subject of Jesus teaching in parables. She believe's that Jesus taught in parables so that the masses could understand. I told her that was not true. I said Jesus taught in parables so that the masses would not understand. She could not grasp this. Why would Christ teach the people so they would not understand?" What is the purpose of that.? Why would He do that? It makes no sense. And the same thing with the Bible. Why would God make His word so hard to understand? God wants the people who believe uderstand Him. All I could say is to her was Jesus said it was not ment for them to know these things. That why He taught used parables. TRhen I said remember many are called but few are chosen. Only the elect will understand these things. What elese could I have said??? She believes if you want to know something bad enough and pray about it God will give it to you. I said only if it is in God's will in the first place to give you the knowledge.
Thanks,Darren
Kat:
Hi Darren,
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
Mat 13:11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Mat 13:12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.
Mat 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
Mat 13:14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
"Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
Mat 13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.'
We are now living in this present evil church age when the whole world is deceived. As God is sovereign He wants the world to be deceived at this time and that is why Jesus spoke in parables. Only the few/chosen/Elect will be given the eyes to understand these spiritual things that are preserved in the Scripture. But the world reads the same Scriptures and put their own erroneous interpetation on them, "Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive." Why is it this way, because now is judgment upon the house of God (1 Peter 4:17) salvation is only for the few Elect in this age. The world will be saved in the next age when Christ rules, by means of the Lake of fire.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Here is an emails concerning the ages that God has in His plan.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1305.0.html -----
The Scriptures speak of "ageS" in the past (Rom. 16:25, II Tim. 1:9, Titus 1:2, ). So that would equal at least 2 or more ages before our present age.
The we have this "present evil age" (II Tim. 4:10, Titus 2:12, etc.) So that would equal 1 more age.
Then we have "the on-coming ageS" (Eph. 2:7) and the "conclusion of the ageS" (Heb. 9:26). (Eph. 2:7). That would equal at least 2 or more future ages.
So now we are already up to a minimum of FIVE AGES.
God be with you,
Ray
WhoAmI:
Hi Darren,
Sounds like you did fine. If you have felt like she has in the past then tell her you understand how she can feel like that. She will get it when it is time.
Jeff
Ec 3:1 To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven
David:
We know that God feels love, compassion, mercy.....we know that God feels anger, wrath, indignation........who are we to say He can't feel sorrow, anguish, grieved etc?
In Rays Bible studdies, he's dropped a few hints about the possibility of how God got to be the way He is. He's posed the question before "where did God get patience from?" Ray points out that so far as he can tell, the Bible really doesn't give us any details about God before the creation, other than He existed.
I don't for one minute believe, as the Church would have us believe, that God was or is sorry that He made man because He got it wrong or it was just a big mistake, so He has to keep starting again.
But, we know that God knows all things, from beginning to end............so maybe this Sorrow spoken of, or "repentance" as its translated in some Bibles in the account of the flood, has something to do with God knowing what its going to take to make us in His image. We know that God loves us, He loves the world (John 3:16). We know that we have much trial and tribulation to go through before we are made in His image. I think because God loves us so much, then of course He will feel sorrow, anguish etc for the trials we have ahead.
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