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Imabeliever:
Dont get me wrong , I know he died for the worlds sins, I've always known that! I just dont understand where people get that He went to hell to redeem the rightious dead! this friend of mine doesnt believe he spiritually died too, only physically! I should have been a little clearer!
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: EKnight on July 21, 2008, 09:14:05 PM ---What's a kevlinist?
Eileen
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Hi! Eileen
I thought you'd have known. That's a Kevlenist the one who says that everyone who dies goes straight to heaven or hell and thinks Ray is one and needs Babylonian Bible lessons. That's a Kevlenist, now do you know?
I have a great animation for that but sadly not allowed.
God bless you brother and sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Imabeliever on July 21, 2008, 08:12:04 PM ---I have a friend that I work with who is a born again christian! I embrace the fact that we're both believers, but there are many things we dont see eye to eye on, so heres my question. I know only GOD will reveal to a person when HE feels it is time, but what do I say when he calls Ray a kelvenist ? I know its not true but what proof do I give that he is not a kelvenist! He also believes that when we die, we immediately go to heaven or hell and that JESUS went to hell after HE died, Ive tried to tell him what I've learned here and that these doctrines are unscriptural. All he says is ,"This L. Ray Smith, would be more believeable if he would have gone to some kind of bible school", but these are the very places that these false doctrines are spread! God has given me so much hope, love, and joy, through Bible Truths I just want to give the good news to all I can, especially friends and loved ones! Any help or advice would be greatly apppreciated! God Bless!
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Hi! Brother Imabeliever
Why not let your friend keep his own happy thoughts and you hold on to yours. It's not your job but God's to drag him, and even after that leave him alone and just direct him to bible-truths or he may make you into a Calvinist.
God bless you brother in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Paul:
--- Quote from: Roy Monis UK on July 23, 2008, 08:25:41 AM ---
--- Quote from: EKnight on July 21, 2008, 09:14:05 PM ---What's a kevlinist?
Eileen
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Hi! Eileen
I thought you'd have known. That's a Kevlenist the one who says that everyone who dies goes straight to heaven or hell and thinks Ray is one and needs Babylonian Bible lessons. That's a Kevlenist, now do you know?
I have a great animation for that but sadly not allowed.
God bless you brother and sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
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It's Calvinist; and a Calvinist is someone who doesn't believe in free will, but believes in Hell.
Show the guy this and see if the guy still calls Ray a Calvinist:
http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D1.htm
ciy:
Calvinist believe you have no free will up until you are saved. Then from that point on you do have free will. And yes they do believe in a very hellacious hell where God predestines most people to be sent to an infinite hell.
CIY
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