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What is going on in my house?
OBrenda:
I think you said your daughter is 10 years old, is she the one "seeing things" and fearful? Do you know what she is seeing?.....It's hard at that age to distinguish between real and make believe (Hey look what we believed in the churches) I will keep your family in prayer as God reveals what you need to know concerning these disturbing things. Whether its a spiritual battle with evil forces or something more earthly I think we fight with the same weapon, "hitting our Knees" but I don't know or understand much in this area.
Be Blessed & Protected,
Brenda
joyful1:
Dear Jackfr0s,
When our family was into "casting out demons" that we believed were manifesting in our home, we did what we were "taught to do" by the church. It didn't help. It just strengthened our canality and the problem only got worse. The fear in the home increased and the manifestations increased. This went on for years and included very loud and strange noises, sleep paralysis with the "boogy man" speaking, deep scratch marks appearing on our skin, a literal form of a shadowy figure that our son put his hand "through", the form of one of our children appearing in one part of the house when they actually were in another part of the house, this form was clearly seen in the daytime and the feet made no sounds but floated across the floor and down steps, the sound of something walking up the steps from our basement when nothing was there, objects moving, doors opening, things "jumping" off the walls (repeatedly for no reason), sheets being pulled off of us, invisible hands touching us, and more.
We searched for help. We increased our "tithes" prayed till all hours of the night with friends, called over others to pray, pleaded "the blood", annointed with oil, "posted angels" on our property, cursed the devil, cursed the demons, repeated prayers and scriptures outloud, repeated the prayers and scriptures more loudly in case "they didn't hear us"....sometimes it seemed that "they" would let up; making us assume that "WHAT WE DID" had caused the demons to
"become fearful and flee." But, sure enough...in time, it would start up again! We became "desperate!" We finally called an "exorcist" --went to a few sessions with him where he witnessed more "weird" things happening in others. The exorcist taught us more "prayers" to say and scriptures to quote, and that we had to put up a "canopy" over our home in the spirit realm, but that this canopy had to be "reinforced" every single day to keep the demons out!!
We became exhausted with very little sleep, and wondering "where was God in all of this?"
Not getting any relief from the church was one of the things that made us begin to question the church. Something was wrong, and for our own sanity and our children's sakes we had to find the answers. It was about at that time that a single event happened in the church that we would sometimes
attend and had looked to for help when all this had begun. The "manifestation of gold dust" one night sealed it for me. I knew that we were, that night, experiencing "lying signs and wonders" and came home to find out what I could about "the gold dust phenomenea." What I found was amazing. But what happened next was more amazing. I left the church that night for good. I began my search for the TRUTH outside the church. My husband and I found Ray's site, and things have never been the same! Over the next month or so, we read everything that we could find on Bible_Truths. And I remember
reporting to one of the mods here, how FEAR had finally left our home. The manifestations stopped. Peace set into my heart. Although my husband did not embrace everthing then, he was always okay with my own journey and has recently accepted that there is no literal hell. He is still learning and searching. When we stopped "seeing a demon" behind every bush....they stopped appearing. I can't give you a scriptural explanation for why this happened. Although, your post has spurred me on to seek out the complete answers on this. (*I was so happy for it stop, I just thanked God and got on with other questions that I had at the time!)
I can only relate my experience to you. And I do so, with great compassion for what you and your family are going through right now. I tried searching the articles here and the emails for advice from Ray. One thing that I believe addresses the ROOT of this problem is Ray's teaching in the LOF series.
Part IV Seeing and Understanding the Invisible http://bible-truths.com/lake4.htm
And also; Part X The Synagogue of Satan - There’s One Near You http://bible-truths.com/lake10.html
It is probable that my own "idol" of thinking that demonic manifestations were a sign that I was somehow "special" and part of the "elect", hindered my deliverance for a time. Nonetheless, peace has returned to our home and it is wonderful!
The TRUTH sets us free in every way!
One thing that Ray points out that requires some time and meditation to
"get" is that God gives man an "experience" of evil in this lifetime...and that
experience is for a reason. We have to eat from "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"....there is no way around it. It's part of the way God is "growing us up." But you have to see it for yourself. And all these things, the Holy Spirit has to reveal to you personally. I used to question God about WHY my children had to go through all that we did. I don't question Him anymore about that because I came to realise that some have this experience early on and some have it later. Some see demons, some ghosts, some aliens, some experience many OTHER forms of evil. But we all have to come to grips with the reality of evil. Since I was subject to similar things in my own childhood, my children were open to the way that I felt God was teaching us all in becoming overcomers....of fear itself.
I hope this helps. PM anytime. I would also encourage you to email Ray for a clearer understanding. I will share with you anything that I find in my search. I know how "lonely" it gets when the whole world seems without answers!
God bless you and your family!
Sincerely,
Joyce :)
jakfr0s:
Wow Joyce thank you, I wasn't sure if anyone would believe me or think I was crazy.
This has gone on for a long time now even way before coming here to BT and before coming in the knowledge of the Truth. Never really thought I was special, more like cursed.
Ive experienced alot of what you described but come to think of it I totally forgot some of it. Even before my kids were born. Ive never personally seen anything in my house while awake, but in my dreams is another story. I think we have experienced most of what you describe, but I think the scariest for me was seeing UFO's and that sleep paralysis. I dont't want to get into too much detail about it all for fear it may be inappropriate for this site. I don't wanna risk being banned or something. But the way you put it seems ok, I couldnt explain it without looking like a weirdo. I mean I use to be a weirdo like that cause I really use to be into that stuff.
Ive been praying about it and cleaning house in a spiritual kind of way I guess one could put it. Ive been seriously considering more and more to quit doing drugs cause it seems me and my family become more susceptible and that much more open to whatever it is. We struggle enough when we are sober and I'm sure booze and drugs just compound and worsen the matter.
I also wanna ask about fasting with praying. Ive read a little about it in Scriptures, like this one starts from Mat 17:14 And when they were come to the multitude, there came to him a man, kneeling to him, saying,
Mat 17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is epileptic, and suffereth grievously; for oft-times he falleth into the fire, and off-times into the water.
Mat 17:16 And I brought him to thy disciples, and they could not cure him.
Mat 17:17 And Jesus answered and said, O faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I bear with you? bring him hither to me.
Mat 17:18 And Jesus rebuked him; and the demon went out of him: and the boy was cured from that hour.
Mat 17:19 Then came the disciples to Jesus apart, and said, Why could not we cast it out?
Mat 17:20 And he saith unto them, Because of your little faith: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
Mat 17:21 But this kind goeth not out save by prayer and fasting
It seems at first they are talking about a sick son. Then they call it a demon. Either demon is another word for sickness or it is demons that bring sickness or both. I dint know for sure. I understand Mat 17:20 I think. Its like if you have just a little faith you can move spiritual obstacles (mountains?) out of your way and become and overcomer and continue on your spiritual journey? I dont know I could be wrong.
My questions about fasting and prayer are like what exactly are we allowed in our bodies? I'm thinking only water. And I know one should not tell people when he or she is fasting or even look like someone fasting. I guess I wanna give this a try. Or do you think that maybe I'm not ready, and this could be very dangerous or something? I'm too young in this spiritual walk, and I don't wanna get in over my head. At the same time I want this to stop, but does God want it to stop? So much doubt, so little faith I honestly don't know what to do or think.
I'm gonna take your advice Joyce and re read Ray's teaching in the LOF series and Part X The Synagogue of Satan.
I don't know what else to do besides pray, ask you all for prayers and give it time I guess.
Thanks Joyce I appreciate it.
Your Friend George D.
jakfr0s:
Oh I think I get it. I just got done posting the above, shutdown my pc and decided to pray then go to bed. But then I got to really thinking about what you said and I almost missed it. I was so focused on you describing what was happening to you I didnt pay much attention to the rest. At first I thought you were just trying to tell me that me and my family were imagining all of it and that kinda hurt at first. But now I see what you mean about it being an idol an all. We are seeing and hearing what we wanna hear and see, its true we somehow think we are special, especially when people come over we like to brag about it. And it really is true, we cant see spirits can we? Wow the Truth really sets one free doesnt it? I hope Im not wrong about what you meant Joyce, cause then its back to square one. But what about what Jesus did with casting out demons and such in the Scripture? I dont remember anyone actually saying they saw a demon, besides being in people and animals. Wow I just know there is a good true answer for that. I dont know how demons work or how they do what ever it is they do and I dont care. God is still in total control and He is Love and Love casts out all fear! Woo hoo! I gotta tell this to my wife, but wether she believes is up to God isnt it? Ok thanks Joyce and please correct me if im wrong on this cause I still have doubts in me and maybe Im reading you all wrong.
Your Friend, George D. ;D
joyful1:
--- Quote from: jakfr0s on July 26, 2008, 11:24:46 AM --- At first I thought you were just trying to tell me that me and my family were imagining all of it and that kinda hurt at first.
--- End quote ---
Not at all, George, I understand exactly how it feels when you can't get help. I'm not recommending that you completely "ignore" what is happening in your house, because it is happening for a reason. I know that you will find that God is totally in control of the experiences that we have here on earth. Once you "get" that, you won't be afraid as much. I don't know what the future holds for you in that house, I'm not a prophet. I don't know the reason that God is giving you this experience of evil for. I can only vouch for what I know. You are having to deal with this particular form of evil for a reason and having been through a similar experience, I only want to try to reach out and help you through it.
--- Quote --- But now I see what you mean about it being an idol an all. We are seeing and hearing what we wanna hear and see, its true we somehow think we are special, especially when people come over we like to brag about it.
--- End quote ---
Okay...in part, I mentioned "idol of the heart" for the purpose of perhaps giving you the opportunity to question your own motives as well. I am not saying that is what is happening with you, but think carefully and pray about it. I hope that you don't feel any condemnation from me on that. It's just that I've been there/done that on the whole "haunted house" thingy and I hope to comfort you with the comfort that I was comforted with! I am also continuing to search all the material here at BT to assist you in learning more and to help myself in exploring the whole phenomenea as well.
2 Corinthians 1:3-5 (American Standard Version)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort;
4 who comforteth us in all our affliction, that we may be able to comfort them that are in any affliction, through the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound unto us, even so our comfort also aboundeth through Christ.
When you ask God for the reason, pray expecting Him to answer.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
When you are diligently seeking Him, without idols standing in your way, He will answer you with the TRUTH, the Word.
When you are still holding on to an "idol" of the heart, He answers you according to that idol.
Ezekiel 14:4
Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Every man of the house of Israel that taketh his idols into his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I Jehovah will answer him therein according to the multitude of his idols;
See: The Lake of Fire - Part XIV The Beast Within http://bible-truths.com/lake14.html
That article will help you see what I have said about the idols of the heart. I know that you are going to find some relief by reading these articles. Do you have a way to print them out ? I find it easier on my eyes to print them out and sit down and read them slowly, marking them up and pulling out my Bible at the same time. Others study better online. Just my thoughts.
I have more to say, but I'll cut this short and let you do some reading first.
I am praying for you and your family, George.
Joyce :)
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