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I am a clean slate
winner08:
Eileen everybody has given you good advice. The question here is what to do about it. I really don't have anything to add that would help you. Personally I love the way Ray refutes the deceptions of the other so called Christians. Then afterwards Ray will show us the truth and exactly where to find it in scripture. So we are not just to believe what he says, rather what Christ has said. I maby like you was baptized catholic and through grade and middle school I was raised catholic. I can say in my humble opinion that they just do not add to, they flat out make up fairytales of purgatory, praying to the saints so they can intercede on our behalf. an immortal soul going to heaven or hell upon death,praying to statues,praying to Mary mother of Jesus, St.Jude for the sick children, They do have a saint for ever occasion. The big one confessing to a priest so they may forgive your sins. Act of contrition. Eating a wafer in place of the body of Christ. Forgive me for carrying on I just think they do a bit more than add on. They flat out lie. Easter, Christmass,Good Friday,lent. Have I missed any?? OH YEA!! god on earth actually I believe he lives in Rome. I could be wrong. There is alot of deceiving going on and I would like to know what they are so that I might know the truth.
Thanks,
Darren
P.S. sorry for going on a rant,
Heidi:
Eileen, I believe that Ray once answered someone in an email as to why some of his papers where so long.....his explanation was that he needed to cover everything so as not to get to many emails and questions asked etc.
I do understand your view though.....but Ray has to do it the way he is doing it.
Heidi...
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Samson on July 27, 2008, 01:30:12 PM ---
In order to fully appreciate and differentiate between a concept of fact and have understanding, we must know it's opposite. Examples: Good & Evil(Remember the account Genesis regarding the Tree); Hot & Cold; Truth & Falsehood; Light & Darkness; Sickness & Good Health; Tall & Short; Pride & Humility, etc. To fully understand and distinguish these concepts, we need to experience and learn about their opposites. How would you fully appreciate Truth, if you weren't exposed to it's opposite; Lying. Many of us have experienced blatant Religious Hypocrisy, Double standards, half-truths and clear deception. This is part of our training and disipline provided by Our Heavenly Father towards our becoming Spiritually Perfected. If all you ever knew was Truth in all areas of Life, including Religion; when confronted with falsehood, you would, or at least could be fooled by the Father of the Lie(John. chapter 8). The deception is all around us in Politics, Religion, Commerce, etc and it's rank, but it helps us to appreciate Proverbs. 3:5-7, you can look it up, if you like.
Just think of all the concepts and different things that have their opposites and you will find, you wouldn't be able to fully understand them without their opposites.
Hope this helps, Your Brother, Samson.
--- End quote ---
Very true Samson, great post!
Yes, Ray does get into detail in many articles in exposing the heresies of all the leavened churches and denominations, if only there weren't so many lies and deception out there the articles could be so much shorter! ;)
Eileen, I am certainly not making light of your point, it is well taken but we must consider that just having sound scripturally based articles would in fact be only half the picture, knowing that the "father of lies" is very resourceful and often appeals to our ego is invaluable information. Satan can take what appeals to us most and we of ourselves can create our own Babylon, which is confusion.
Remember what Christ said to His apostles;
Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
What I have learned through much observation over the years is that there have been many who come through here and become convinced of their "spirituality" to the point that they tend to receive His Word as mere suggestions relying more and more on their "feelings" and direct communication with (what they perceive to be) the Holy Spirit. This has left some wide open to the dung of man made demon inspired doctrines that may sound compelling but are the ways of death. They appeal to our ego and tug at our heart and often attempt to make someone feel naive for having so much trust in His Word, after all the spirit is in us, we have the mind of Christ, how could we be led astray?
The serpent has been using variations of his original temptation in the Garden throughout the history of the world, "forget about what God said, listen to your desires, go with your feelings, you shall be all the wiser for it." (I am paraphrasing here).
We must always be on guard and part of that is knowing and then recognizing the enemy's strategy, just as in war, football, politics, business, we must understand where our competition is, what he is thinking and his method of implementation.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Why is it necessary if we believe in our hearts we are capable of instinctively knowing the difference between truth and lies?
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Heidi:
Excellent post Joe..."Satan can take what appeals to us most and we of ourselves can create our own Babylon, which is confusion."
I pray that God will guard my heart and mind and that by His grace alone I remain humble and have a teachable spirit. It is very scary to think that we can create our own Babylon.
Love
Heidi
Phill B:
This is my first post.
I have enjoyed reading this thread.
I have not read all of Ray’s material yet, but I’m well on the way. Perhaps I am naïve, but Ray’s interpretation of Gods message makes good sense to me, honest and truthful.
Yes I can relate to your comments Eileen, although I would not say I was a clean slate.
I was born 50 years ago, raised in a dysfunctional family. There were many words yelled by my parents - God wasn’t one of them. My father was a drinker. My mother addicted to prescription pills. My parents argued a lot. They blamed each other for the shortage of money. There was abuse in our family. I left home young, angry and confused. I completed a carpentry apprenticeship. I have coughed and spluttered my way through life, always working hard though. Creating wealth would solve my problems I figured. Pot was my best friend for almost 20 years. It anesthetized my feelings. About seven years ago somebody said if you don’t forgive your parents you will always be angry. I hadn’t spoken to my father for 25 years. I wished him dead. The concept of forgiveness was insanity to me. When will my father apologise to me I asked. That’s not the point. You clean up your side of the street and trust God to take care of the rest. Trust God, but I don’t trust anybody. However, being desperate, I gave it a go. It wasn’t all smooth sailing, and only after praying, I fronted him. I listened to his story. He later wrote me a letter. He said he was sorry and that he loved me. I did the same. Shortly after I posted this letter to him I walked alone along a beach. I literally felt a huge weight lift off me shoulders. What a miracle - the first of many. I now saw him not as a monster but somebody with a problem. I learned that it’s in forgiving that we are forgiven. And those distant spiritual truths are far more powerful than my silly thinking. The enemy had me fooled for a long time. So I then attended 12 step programmes, for about 3 years. This was a good stepping-stone for it, amongst many other good things, introduced me to the concept humility. I have not any taken drugs, alcohol or cigarettes since. Gods grace – incredible! I started reading the Bible about 4 years ago. Shortly after, tiring of the 12 steps programmes, I tried attending the local Church(s), for about 3 months. It just didn’t work for me. Although I enjoyed some aspects including the singing, their message, and environment, seemed shallow, like a hollow log. I even tithed a couple of times, much to my shame.
So here I am today reading and learning from Ray. So although I do not relate as well as others on this forum to exposing the heresies concept I do enjoy the whole learning experience embedded within Ray teachings. Ray mentioned on one of his tapes that he was not aware of anyone coming out of Babylon that did not first get corrupted the Church - so did I come out of Babylon – I don’t know?
One thing I do know. I have peace today, and I feel God directing me here.
Phill B
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