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Did Jesus ever get sick?
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Rene on July 28, 2008, 06:53:30 PM ---George,
This is taken from the transcript of the Nashville Conference 2007, under the title "Who and What Is Jesus?"
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html
Luke 4:22 …And they said, "Is not this Joseph's Son?"
v. 23 And He said to them, "Doubtless you will quote to Me this proverb, 'Physician, heal Yourself.’
Did you get that? Doubtless He said, your going to say that to Me. Why? He healed people, right? But He was sick and diseased! So your going to say to Me, well if you’re the great Physician and You're healing all these people, surely you're going to say to Me, “Physician, heal Yourself.”
Christ had a burden to bare. He was nothing to look at though, sickly and diseased, “a tender shoot out of dry ground” (Isa 53:2), sick, diseased with infirmaries.
Now it says in Isa 53:3, “He is despised and rejected by others, a Man of suffering (Heb.-pain).” Because when we say suffering, right away we think of some spiritual thing. You know He suffered persecution and things of that nature. It’s still suffering, but the word is pain. Why was He in pain? Because He had infirmaries. Is this a different Jesus than you have been thinking about?
Isa 53:3 “...and as One from whom men hide their faces…” that’s not what it says in the Hebrew, it should say “As One who hides His face,” Imagine the Son of God, Creator of the universe and in a body that’s uncomely, diseased, infirmaries and pain. It’s like when you go through a crowd, you don’t want to call attention to yourself, because there’s nothing here to see, you know.
Isa 53:3 “… He was despised, and we held Him of no account. V. 4 ….. and carried our diseases;”
Do you understand where this says He was tempted in all ways as we, yet without sin (Heb 4:15). And we think once in a while a pretty girl passed Him, He had to say, well I’ll look the other way. No! This is a whole lot more real than that.
He carried our diseases, oh. They will say, no He went to the cross for our diseases. No, He carried them in His body. And now is where they say, God just really beat the living day lights out of Him? That we count Him stricken down and afflicted? Who would say that?! It says WE. It doesn’t say God struck Him down. That is blaspheme. WE accounted Him stricken down and afflicted, we that’s a people. When they saw Him, they said 'this Man is being cursed of God, look at the pathetic thing. God is cursing this man bad, I wonder what He did wrong.' And then He would heal the people.
I mean it wasn’t the first time where He said, I know your all looking at Me saying, “heal Yourself Physician.” That must have come up many times, you know. It’s not in the Bible though it says;
John 21:25 Now there are also many other things that Jesus did. Were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written.
I mean how many hundreds of times did someone say, Lord you’ve healed me, I’m whole, why doesn’t God heal You? He would say that’s not My job to be healed and walk around whole and handsome, fortified and all that. He came to carry your diseases. I heal you, but I carry them in My body. WE account Him stricken down by God and afflicted, because that’s what you would conclude and that’s what people would look at.
Hope this helps.
René
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Brian,
The scriptures do tell us whether Jesus was sick or not. Here is a great post from Rene from this very thread that covers that subject.
Also, what prophecy are you referring to that states 'the scriptures are becoming clearer and plainer all the time'? 1 Cor. 13:8 states that knowledge will 'vanish away'.
Thanks,
Marques
AK4:
Wow, Brian, that was a great rebuttal. I didnt put much thought into the paper by Ray (i was more interested in something else), but you have sparked my interest to study up on that. You did exactly what Ray tells everyone to do and that is to "not to just take his word for it, check the scriptures yourself".
Im not saying right now you or Ray is right, that is not my place but i will study this too and hopefully God will open up my eyes to see what is Truth.
Has anyone showed this rebuttal to Ray, it would be interesting to see his rebuttal?
Anthony
winner08:
If you read Isa53:3 He is speaking of Jesus. The first word is He, the H is capital and it says He is despised. I look up the word despised on e-sword.It says (baw-zaw) to disesteem, despise, disdain, contemp, scorn and vile person. Rejected(khaw-dale) vacant, frail,destitute ceasing. A man with sorrows,(anguish, affliction,grief, pain. Acquainted( to know). With Grief(malady, anxiety,calamity and diseased). Reading the text with these knew found words it take on a clear understanding of Jesus. What do y'all think?
Darren
hillsbororiver:
What is pleasing to the natural man, health, wealth, worldly wisdom and status are nothing to God. Jesus as a man did not possess the things the world desires, Satan offered it all to Jesus who promptly rejected it and commanded Satan to depart.
The sacrifice that Jesus made was the fulfillment of the animal sacrifices, the spotless animals were a type/shadow of the spiritual spotlessness, the perfection that is Christ, what the animals foreshadowed in physical perfection Christ fulfilled in spiritual perfection.
Jesus did not sacrifice a perfect physical body, He sacrificed a perfect spiritual heart.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: winner08 on August 04, 2008, 06:10:37 PM ---If you read Isa53:3 He is speaking of Jesus. The first word is He, the H is capital and it says He is despised. I look up the word despised on e-sword.It says (baw-zaw) to disesteem, despise, disdain, contemp, scorn and vile person. Rejected(khaw-dale) vacant, frail,destitute ceasing. A man with sorrows,(anguish, affliction,grief, pain. Acquainted( to know). With Grief(malady, anxiety,calamity and diseased). Reading the text with these knew found words it take on a clear understanding of Jesus. What do y'all think?
Darren
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Excellent points Darren!
Peace,
Joe
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