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Did Jesus ever get sick?
winner08:
So is the genral feeling is that Jesus was a sickly human, or not? What say you???
Darren
Kat:
Hi Brian,
I explained in a pm why I 'yanked' your post, but since it is being discussed let me say this. It is not the purpose of this forum to refute those who come here and teach something different than what Ray has taught. At the 2007 Nashville Conference 'WHO AND WHAT IS JESUS? & WHO IS HIS FATHER?' ( http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html ) Ray speaks a good deal about what he felt the Scriptures say about 'Did Jesus ever get sick.' Your post clearly shows that you think differently about this subject.
Now if as Anthony says, but out of all the emails i have read that Ray has replied to and that are on the BT website yours was the most well thought out one and scriptural and actually had substance. and you feel like this, then by all means send it to Ray and let him do his own refuting. We do have a rule, If you seriously disagree with Ray, please email him directly.
I hope this does not sound too blunt, I just wanted to explain why this was handled as it was.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Brian:
--- Quote from: AK4 on August 04, 2008, 06:28:24 PM ---I don't know if anyone read the post by Brian that got moved but i think its both, he was in pain, sickness, and afflicted physically, and also spotless without blemish, spiritually, a worthy sacrifice to God. reference Malachi 1
Brian i guess that was mainly for you. Look at it like this----
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Maybe physically he was what is stated in Isa 53, but we all know spiritually He was spotless.
Tell me what you think, Brain
If i crossed the line with this post Kat or any of the Mods im sorry it wont happen again
In Jesus
Anthony
--- End quote ---
Greetings Anthony,
TRUTH NUMBER 1...First the physical and then the spiritual.
(From Ray's Twelve Truths to Understanding His Word)
We know that the Christ was fully human.(cf 1 Tim 2:5, etc.)
I believe we are all in agreement on this. So I really don't think we need dwell on it.
We also know that the living God would protect him physically. (cf Psa 91:11-12; Mat 4:6; Luk 4:11)
This seems to be where we are having difficulty. I won't repeat what I have already stated. (Because I would actually like all to have an opportunity to, as Ray says, use their God given brain.)
The question as I understand it...
Is it possible for the Christ to be physically the description in Isaiah 53 and be spiritually unblemished?
The only answer I can give is what I have previously stated.
Also, I would like to state that if truth # 1 is of any value it would and should be applied to this question.
Much Love in Christ
AK4:
Hi Brian,
I look at it this way: Ray used scripture to prove his point and you did also. So what i've been meditating on these last couple of days since your post is how can we put yours and Rays proof scriptures together. I've been trying to find scriptures to help with your point and Rays. Well let me try to get to it.
All of Mal 1 has to be God looking at the heart and intentions of the Isrealites when they had to sacrifice. Lets just examine the hearts of them first. Well i was going to explain verse by verse but i am sure you can see how God is showing the heart of the Isrealites when it came to sacrifices and even their heart towards Him.
They--were ungrateful
had no respect
showed contempt by placing defile food on his altar
thought the sacrifices were burdensome and something to sneer at
were cheaters and robbers of God
Mal 1:7 Ye offer polluted bread upon mine altar; and ye say, Wherein have we polluted thee? In that ye say, The table of the LORD is contemptible.
lekh'-em
From H3898; food (for man or beast), especially bread, or grain (for making it): - ([shew-]) bread, X eat, food, fruit, loaf, meat, victuals. See also H1036.
shool-khawn'
From H7971; a table (as spread out); by implication a meal: - table.
baw-zaw'
A primitive root; to disesteem: - despise, disdain, contemn (-ptible), + think to scorn, vile person.
What symbolizes bread--who is the bread of Life? Jesus. What is Jesus? The Word of God. What could the Isrealites been defiling? His Word and bringing this into the temple. where is the temple? We are his temple.
So look at v7 like they are saying "the meal/bread (Word) of the Lord is like a vile person"
v 14 pretty much summarizes all of chapter 1 showing how the heart of the Isrealites were. They made the vow to keep Gods Word and but obviously they didnt.
Now how can we apply this to Christ and how Christ heart was toward God.
Was He ungrateful?
Did He have respect?
Place defile food on his altar?
think He being the sacrifice for all burdensome and something to sneer at?
A cheater or robber of God?
We all know the answer to each of those and the scriptures to back them up.
Brian remember where i posted that his Words are Spirit. Look at Mal 1 like this and you will see the spiritual in it and how Christ still could have carried our sicknesses and still be an acceptable sacrifice to the Lord.
Also v13 and 14 when applied to Christ, who's hand is offering the sacrifice of Christ? Is he the acceptible male who kept his vow to the Lord? You know the answer.
IMO this is how what you and what Ray revealed, through Him, that all of his scripture is one and their are no contradictions.
I hope this helps and i didnt stretch it to far.
In Jesus
Anthony
AK4:
Hey Brian,
What's (this apostrophe thing is killing me) :-X your take on what I put above. I'm (ugh there it is again) :-X very interested in what you think.
Anthony
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