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OBrenda:
Amen Kat...Those Scriptures are Powerful and as they say speak volumes!
Some other Scriptures in Romans to what we are speaking of...
Romans 2:29
No, a person is a Jew inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, brought about by the Spirit, not by a written law. That person's praise will come from God, not from people.
Romans 3:8
Or can we say-as some people slander us by claiming that we say- "Let's do evil that good may result"?
They deserve to be condemned! (Sounds like some of Rays e-mail responses)
Hey Dave this might answer your question to: is it okay to observe any of those things?"
Are we Jews [keepers of the law] any better off? Not at all!
For we have already accused everyone, both Jews and Greeks, of being under the power of sin.
Kat:
What I'm thinking is we do not need to concern ourselves with what the other person is doing. As we will not have to answer for somebody else, only ourself.
Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
v. 11 For it is written:
"As I live, says the LORD,
Every knee shall bow to Me,
And every tongue shall confess to God."
v. 12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
v. 13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way.
It is the Spirit in those that He has chosen who will bring the unity of the body. The spirit shows us what we should do.
Eph 4:1 I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called,
v. 2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,
v. 3 eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
v. 4 There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call--
v. 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
v. 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
All these physical things we are going through are temporary, they are to teach us spiritual lessons and do not matter overall. That's why Paul said "there is nothing unclean of itself." We need to be spiritually minded, not dwelling on the physical.
John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
OBrenda:
Beautifuly put together Kat,
Having a "Motto" is probably carnial, especially when "Who God Is", is so Vast.
But these truths you wrote bellow just jumped out at me!
--- Quote from: Kat on August 06, 2008, 08:17:08 AM ---
It is the Spirit in those that He has chosen who will bring the unity of the body. The spirit shows us what we should do.
All these physical things we are going through are temporary, they are to teach us spiritual lessons and do not matter overall. That's why Paul said "there is nothing unclean of itself." We need to be spiritually minded, not dwelling on the physical.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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AK4:
Hi Brenda Dave and Kat,
You guys are rightand great posts by all. You guys got me "soul searching" and praying to God for the Truth, but let clarify my last post because this is really is got my spirit stirring and i want to know the full Truth.
i came out of a legalistic type of babylon, who showed the paganism in the holidays of christmas and easter and the such. Once i did more resarch on these holidays God open up my eyes to see just how much paganism is in christmas, easter, valentines day, halloween etc. So in the legalistic type of babylon they didnt want you to observe the holidays but to observe Gods Holydays. I was like okay that makes sense. then after God opened my eyes after reading Rays writings I learned i didnt need to observe the Holydays either. so thats where my question comes in and that scripture someone posted comes in---
Jas 4:17 and Jas 4:4
and
Once one is following the Law of the Spirit of Christ and knows the truths behind all these things whether they be things from the Bible (Holydays) or things with their origins in paganism (the holidays), why would you want to observe ANY of those things?
the ultimate commandment thing i stated wrong, Dave your of course right on that, but i was refering to subject we're talking about here. Is it To each their own and let noone judge you on what you observe or not observe whether from the Bible or something with its roots back in paganism mixed in christainity? It cant be that broad in my honest opinion there must be a fine line drawn by/made by Jesus on observing these things. We know about Gods holydays whether or not to observe them, but christmas and the like...hmmmm?
Dave nice post on reasons. I personally am free from those things and dont give it any power. I dont observe any of these things only because its my personal choice. It doesnt make in any better or worse than anyone who does either of them. It doesnt add one iota to my spirituality. the only times i observe christmas and the like is when i am being respectful of whoever invites me to. This is what Paul did on the Sabbaths and such to preach the Gospel if even inquired of him.
Ultimately i feel like you guys are right. We are free to do these things. Free-- without limit is what that means right, but we arent all the way free because we still have to follow Jesus' commandments. So there's a limit. So I guess you're right until you learn the truth right? I guess the his Spirit will convict you either way and as long as what convicts you and your not breaking it them you are free from it. thats just my honest opinion.
what do you guys think?
With love and patience
Anthony
Ps-- Like you im just searching for the Truth. And you guys got me meditating on this heavy. Thanks ;)
Kat:
Hi Anthony,
I can see what you are saying,
--- Quote ---Once one is following the Law of the Spirit of Christ and knows the truths behind all these things whether they be things from the Bible (Holydays) or things with their origins in paganism (the holidays), why would you want to observe ANY of those things?
--- End quote ---
That I believe is the ultimate goal of a believer... BUT. As you also stated,
--- Quote ---the only times i observe christmas and the like is when i am being respectful of whoever invites me to.
--- End quote ---
So there is circumstances that you have that may cause you to be involved in these things to some degree, right? Every person's life is a set of intricate and complicated circumstances and just like you may have a situation that gives you an exception to what you would see as the best thing to do, other may too. We do not know what is in each person's heart and why they are doing something.
If the Holy Spirit is indwelling, then I believe that a person would have a hard time getting all wrapped up in participating in these worldly holidays or Holy days (I was in WWCG for 15 yrs, so I've done a lot of Holy Day observance). If they did I think the Holy Spirit would lead them to recognize how worldly it was and they would eventually want to stop.
But some may be just like you and only continuing to participate because of respect for their loved ones feelings. So for those, the participation would not be to satisfy a worldly lust and if their heart be in the right place, it would be meaningless and not a sin?
I'm saying these things so that you can see why I say it does not matter and we should not judge one another in these matters. We do not know all the in's and out's of anybody's situation, so why judge? I think maybe this is what Jesus was telling Peter when he asked about John.
John 21:21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, "But Lord, what about this man?"
v. 22 Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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