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ez2u

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Divorce
« on: July 31, 2008, 03:33:50 PM »

Can a person be divorce and remarried and become a son of God a priest?  or are they in adultery and need to repent and turn away from that second marriage?  peggy
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Heidi

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2008, 03:52:17 PM »

Good question ez2u, I don't know the answer to it but would also love to get some answers as my dad is in a similar situation at the moment....

Heidi
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Kat

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 06:38:11 PM »


hi Peggy,

Here are a couple of emails that memtion divorce.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7413.0.html ------

Listen:  You cannot UN-ring a bell.  Sometimes it is not possible to go back and straighten out all of the convoluted mistakes we made in life and such things as marriage and remarriage. Repent for what you have done and for what you are and GO ON with you life.  If a husband BEATS his wife, or ABUSES the children, or does NOT PROVIDE food and shelter for his family, or is totally IMMORAL, or DESERTS his wife, or DIES, then the wife is not expected to remained married to such a man if she does not desire, and the same is true she the wife commit these crimes.  Almost all other things are just excuses to have one's cake and eat it too. I hope this has been a little helpful to you.

    God be with you,
    Ray


http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2774.0.html -----

Divorce:  The only way that Jesus said one can leave a man and/or marry another is if there is "pornia" present (called 'forniction') in the King James.  Pornia means "prostitution," but it can also mean a host of sexual immorality.  Also, Paul tells us that if a man will not provide for his own family, he is "WORSE than an infidel." The same is true of a man or deserts his family, or abuses his wife or children. In such cases of "immorality" a mate should not be considered bound.
     
    God be with you,
    Ray
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There is a Bible study that Ray goes into marriage and there is much more discussion about divorce in it.  Her is the link.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.0.html

mercy, peace and love
Kat

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ez2u

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 09:28:46 PM »

thank you kat i did some research and found this article on marriage a little earlier.  I am getting a better perspective now.peggy
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JeffH

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 01:58:44 PM »

>>>or are they in adultery and need to repent and turn away from that second marriage?

Peggy,

Having been there myself, I can attest to the utter confusion we find ourselves in when we experience divorce and remarriage.  We were designed as part of a family and we naturally gravitate toward that. 

God said in Malachi 2:16:

""I hate divorce," says the LORD God of Israel, "and I hate a man's covering himself with violence as well as with his garment," says the LORD Almighty. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith."

Jesus expanded on that with vigor as you alluded to in your post, but God still hates divorce.

Many years ago, I asked the very same question you did and to this day the answer still resonates in me:  God hates divorce.  That will never change.

Learn from the past, seek forgiveness and forge ahead with the life you have now.  By God's grace and your repentance, sins of the past are forgotten as though they never occurred.

You are where you are, because of God's perfect will.
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Kat

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 02:39:13 PM »


Hi JeffH,

There is no doubt that God hates divorce, because it is the break down of a marriage because of some kind of immorality.  But Jesus did speak about this matter and Ray did go over this in his article on 'Marriage.'  Here is an excerpt from the article.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.0.html ---------

Mat 5:31  It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
v. 32  But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

So Jesus did not even contradict the aspect of divorce, you know when they came to Him and said, can a man divorce for any reason.  He said that if you put away your wife or divorced her, except it be for a cause of fornication or immorality - ‘porneia’ is the word, then you cause that person, if they go out and find another mate, then you cause them to commit adultery.  You had no right to divorce that person. 
Now He doesn’t say it specifically, but you can deduce, you know you can lawfully, legally and rightly deduce from what is said, something that isn’t said.  If you shouldn’t divorce for that, “except for fornication,” that means for fornication, you can divorce.  So if Jesus Christ is putting His approval on a certain aspect of immorality where divorce can be involved, than He is also backing up the fact, that it was a legal marriage until the divorce came about. 
Jesus does not contradict divorcement.  If adultery is involved, Jesus okays the marriage of a divorced person.
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I think it would be a terrible thing for someone to think they were required to stay in an abusive marriage because of that statement "I hate divorce."  Looking at all of the Scriptures concerning this matter is requires to get an understanding of it. 

mercy, peace and love
Kat
 
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dewey

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2008, 09:31:56 PM »

ez2u

This is Dewey & Paula.  We have been quiet on this subject and we have seen all the people reply but now we're speaking up.  None of them seems to want to tell you that if you broke one law you broke them all.  Breaking the law can cover a multitude of different subjects.  Jesus knew and did not expect us to keep the law.  That is why he went to the cross.  So that we could be forgiven for our shortcomings which are many.  I've seen some people post telling you what they think about divorce as if there were some good people somewhere - what a crock!!  There's only been one good man.  An example of breaking the law is yesterday I told a friend a lie (just a small one).   Today, I murdered someone.  Ask yourself, did I break one law or all of them?  No matter whether you have broken any law or not, you're still going to be tried by fire.  And that's not a bad thing - that's a good thing.  L. Ray Smith says so.   This is the only way that a human being can be cleansed and purged of the dross that WE ALL HAVE.  We have all done something that God doesn't agree with.  If there is anyone out there that disagrees with this they should be careful of the stones that they throw.   

I believe where I read that Kat said that God hates divorces.  I'll bet he does.  I believe he also hates rapists, blasphemers, and he doesn't like hypocrites one little bit and he hates all liars and I have scripture on that if I need it. 

In the Spirit of Jesus Christ,

Love ya, ez2U

Dewey & Paula said it

Going out on a limb for Jesus - why?  'cause that's where the fruit is!!
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winner08

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2008, 11:26:39 PM »

This has nothing to do with divorce, but marriage. I was told by someone that if your not married in a church God will not recognize the marriage. I don't think this is correct. But I could be wrong.

                                          Darren
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Re: Divorce
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2008, 02:44:27 AM »

Think about that one for a minute, Darren.  In light of 'baptism without water, circumcison without hands' what does the Spirit of God tell you?
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Heb 10:32  But you must continue to remember those earlier days, how after you were enlightened you endured a hard and painful struggle.

winner08

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2008, 12:14:38 PM »

Yes Dave: From the moment I heard this, It did not sit well with me.

                                    Thanks,

                                       Darren
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Samson

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2008, 01:04:45 PM »


Hi JeffH,

There is no doubt that God hates divorce, because it is the break down of a marriage because of some kind of immorality.  But Jesus did speak about this matter and Ray did go over this in his article on 'Marriage.'  Here is an excerpt from the article.

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5675.0.html ---------

Mat 5:31  It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:
v. 32  But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

So Jesus did not even contradict the aspect of divorce, you know when they came to Him and said, can a man divorce for any reason.  He said that if you put away your wife or divorced her, except it be for a cause of fornication or immorality - ‘porneia’ is the word, then you cause that person, if they go out and find another mate, then you cause them to commit adultery.  You had no right to divorce that person. 
Now He doesn’t say it specifically, but you can deduce, you know you can lawfully, legally and rightly deduce from what is said, something that isn’t said.  If you shouldn’t divorce for that, “except for fornication,” that means for fornication, you can divorce.  So if Jesus Christ is putting His approval on a certain aspect of immorality where divorce can be involved, than He is also backing up the fact, that it was a legal marriage until the divorce came about. 
Jesus does not contradict divorcement.  If adultery is involved, Jesus okays the marriage of a divorced person.
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I think it would be a terrible thing for someone to think they were required to stay in an abusive marriage because of that statement "I hate divorce."  Looking at all of the Scriptures concerning this matter is requires to get an understanding of it. 

mercy, peace and love
Kat
 


Excellent Kat,

                    And thoroughly explained, I remember when I was a JW, " they " interpreted " Porneia as exclusively referring to only Sexual violations in Marriage, Homosexuality, Adultery, Beastiality and not the other acts mentioned in your Post. I can remember cases where Woman and in some cases Men were being Physically Abused and they couldn't get a Divorce with the prospects of Re-Marriage, if they did Marry someone else after getting Divorced for anything other than something sex related, they would be Disfellowshipped for committing Adultery, thinking back on this reasoning, it sounds insane to me now, but still even back then, it didn't seem sensible that someone couldn't get Divorced to someone who was beating them up.

                    Of course as stated in this thread, we wouldn't want to use some flimsy excuse to Divorce our Mates, Unless I stand corrected, the passage in Malachi where it says God Hates a Divorce, they were Divorcing their Wives for minor and fabricated reasons, so they could Marry younger Woman.

                                             Thanks again for the clarification, Samson.
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