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I kinda wish part 2 of the Lake of Fire series was the first part
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: dewey on August 04, 2008, 07:58:05 PM ---Hi, Paul
First of all, I would like to say that Ray Smith gets so many rebukes is because 99% of the people have not had their eyes opened or their ears cleaned out. and an awful lot of them that have been called cannot accept the simplicity of salvation. Do yourself a favor and go to the top of the main page. If you read all of that, you will not be going to the Lake of Fire first. We believe that by the time you get to the Lake of Fire series, everything will be perfectly clear. By the time Paula and I got to number 1 The Book of Revelations is a book of symbols. We were excited. I would have been disappointed to have gotten further along and found out that
Revelations was a book of symbols. It is important to understand that from jump street. However, we must confess that before reading the Lake of Fire series we read 12 Truths to Understanding His Word. Paula and I both believe that everthing you read on every page of Ray's material is just exactly like God wants it.
Oh, by the way, I have a tendency to repeat what Mharrell 08 has to say. But that would only get me in trouble because it's clearly an attack on Paul. After having made that mistake myself, I know now his message should have been a PM.
In the Spirit of Jesus Christ, We Love Ya
Dewey & Paula said it
Going out on a limb for Jesus - why? 'cause that's where the fruit's at
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Hi! Brother Dewey & Paula
That was a good post and it accompanies my apology for my past behaviour. You have toned down a lot brother as I have which can only mean one thing, we are both learning that essential ingredient of humility and love. I keep getting accused of singling people out and being judgmental, but if truth and honesty are to be put on trial, I stand by honesty and truth whatever the verdict.
“Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. “Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. “Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent." (Matt.5:23-26).
God bless you brother and sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: Samson on August 04, 2008, 09:00:49 PM ---Hello Everyone,
I appreciated your insight, Sirach, I sorta have a similiar perspective in that at least some of us might have spent many years studying the Bible, examining a variety of " Christian " Sites, including Universal ones and I know some Forum members who are former members of The Worldwide Church of God, Jehovah's Witnesses and other Denominations that " Use " the Bible alot and after all those many years exposed to a heavy diet of Scriptural study, we still had an inaccurate understanding of most Bible related subjects, at least for me, it was a humbling experience to embrace Ray's material. The Scripture that came to my mind while reading the Posts on this thread was at 2Timothy. 3:7 " Always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth." That's precisely the case with most, if not many of us, we might have known some of these Truths, prior to our discovering Ray's Site, but we didn't have a thorough accurate Knowledge of Truth. As an example, prior to my discovering Bible-Truths, I knew about Aion meaning Age-lasting, Kolasin meaning Chastisement, Hades and Sheol meaning the unseen and imperceptible, Oleuthron & Apollemi being Lost or losing or desolation instead of Destruction or Perish, I never believed in eternal Torment or the Soul being inherently immortal, never believed in the Trinity, etc, etc; However I never heard about the concept of NOT HAVING FREE WILL, didn't know Jesus was Jehovah, I used to think that Jehovah was The Father, didn't understand about The Beast being ourselves and many other things at this Site and I still have much to learn. From Ray's Site, I've learned the better part, so to speak.
Also Dewey makes a good point about the order in which Ray places his Articles, that may be the way that's best for studying and learning the information. Dennis Vogel mentions that it doesn't matter which order you present things, because if someone is Blind, they won't see it until God opens their eyes.
Just my thoughts on this Thread, no finger pointing from me, Just thoughts and observations.
Your Brother, Samson.
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Hi! Brother Samson and Frecklegirl
2Timothy 3:7! I thought you were pointing at me, brother, because it hit me straight on the chin as it must be doing for quite a few here. How true, I've done my round on the internet and dropped all the sites like red hot irons, but when one sees the truth it has a habit of sticking, and bible-truths has done precisely that. What I know now I'd never have known had it not been for Ray, God bless him.
Thanks for the bruise anyway, it's a lesson.
God bless you brother and sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Roy Monis:
--- Quote from: KristaD on August 04, 2008, 04:23:49 PM ---You can hardly say whether or not I am correct in saying that I like anything. Perhaps this is the wrong place fro him to do it, I made no statement about that, only that I like that he questions things. Please don't say that I am incorrect in stating that I like something. That is not a judgment that anyone is qualified to make unless they know what is in my heart. I respect your opinion, Roy, but once again I feel singled out an judged by you.
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Hi! KristaD
Once more we cross swords over my judgmental attitude toward you. I just pointed out that you were incorrect to agree with him posting his topic in the area where he did. I can't see how that implies that I have singled you out and judged you. I agree with you that it is good that doubtful issues should be questioned, but they should be directed to the right source. I never intended it to give offense and I apologize if it has.
Misunderstandings like this are causing the forum to lose valuable input such as that provided by members like Marques who has threatened to withdraw from it leaving the board clear for unrealistic and unfair criticism from members who are inputting negative views of no edifying value. Can you not see this KristaD, why do you always paint me as a beast worse than the one I am? "Do not withhold good from those to whom it is due, When it is in your power to do it." (Pro.3:27).
Make no mistake, I love you as a sister in Christ and would do nothing to intentionally offend you.
God bless you sister in our joint walk in Christ.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy UK
Sozo:
Guys...there is something wrong here! Can everyone see what this thread is doing to the body of Christ? It is only sowing discord!
I am in complete agreement with mharrell08 here. I have made the suggestion in the thread "Specially" a while back that it seemed as if Paul was sowing discord among believers...and then I withdrew that statement later. Maybe I should not have withdrawn it. Just look at what is going on here...look at all the emotionally fueled statements that are taking place. Now let me ask you this: Is this thread beneficial for anyone? Is this thread causing discord among us?
Paul, I don't know your heart or your intentions. If you are sincere, then maybe you should stop and think about what you post before you post it. Just go back and look at all of your past postings and see how many times they have gotten things "stirred up."
Everyone should be able to come here and ask the hard questions, enjoy the fellowship with others, and learn the truths found in Scripture....Not argue about the way you think things should be!
Now, maybe we should just drop this thread and go on to more edifying topics.
Paul:
--- Quote from: Sozo on August 05, 2008, 07:54:55 AM ---Just go back and look at all of your past postings and see how many times they have gotten things "stirred up."
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Once or twice.
--- Quote from: Sozo on August 05, 2008, 07:54:55 AM ---I am in complete agreement with mharrell08 here. I have made the suggestion in the thread "Specially" a while back that it seemed as if Paul was sowing discord among believers...and then I withdrew that statement later. Maybe I should not have withdrawn it. Just look at what is going on here...look at all the emotionally fueled statements that are taking place.
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That's my fault? mharrell08's the one who's ridiculously demonizing me.
Why do you guys think I'm being negative. Why did you say I was stirring up trouble in that thread "Specially"? I was just expressing the fact that a very important verse uses some of the most obsolete English in the most well-establish translation of the Bible.
Lemme try to clarify my original post. I think a lot of readers are turned away by the long exposé on how symbolic the Bible is, because people who take the Bible literally reject that concept from the get go. I like how part two focuses on the message of the Bible. Might make people think. Then people might be open to the fact that the Bible is symbolic.
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