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Gods laws of health and nutrition - where in Scipture?
winner08:
Craig. I couldn't agree with you more. God has given us these wonderfull smart doctors and scientist who dedicate their entire lives learning and studing these terrible diseases. Of course not all doctors and scientist are this way. Like anything else they have good and bad people in every profession. God has given these people special gifts and we should use them accordingly. Someone mention where the childhood deseases of today were rare to none when he was a child. I'm not positive but I think more people died from diseases especially children before the discovery of penicillin and other antibiotics. Yes I can say I am pretty sure more died before the discovery of antibiotics than now. Even some terrible diseases are almost unheard of in some countries. Just think about it. Think about the terrible diseases of yrs ago and if we are better off today. The medical profession isn't perfect, far from it. It's better than it was in Christ's time. It's better now than twenty yrs. ago. Yes it's not perfect. I would rather be sick it this day and age than in my grandmother's day, when her sister died from an insect bite while planting flowers outside her house. Does not the Lord put these people on earth for mankind to use for our benefits??? Then again I probabley wrong.
Darren
OBrenda:
Hi Everyone,
Jumping in to add my 2 cents.
I've never heard anyone teach on this, so let me be clear, this understanding or observation comes from me. And everyday, I adjust according to what God has added to my awareness. This discussion here is the same one we just had in the thread on paganism. Different Topic, same principle.
If we look at our history and our present, what is at the root of all the hate? What has caused wars and slaughter between minkind. Other than Evil which is a broad Truth, what is the fundamental thing we tell ourselves, that gives us permission to hate and slaughter another person? Think about it.....how many wars are rooted in religious good intentions? Are we not in a war right now fundamentally due to different understandings of what is good & evil in the eyes of God?
The muslin's believe in God, but they have added to Gods word. They have Abraham in their teachings, but have burdened their people by imposing "Sins" in everything. Women must be covered. Women can not be educated. Does this not seem foolish to you,...in order to stop women from causing a man to sin by lusting after her, she has to live her life under a sheet.
What is wrong with this thinking? I have a friend who drives a city bus, he is a christian still in Babylon, and complains about the way women dress today are causing a brother to sin? (although women should be modestly dressed and not wanting to draw this attention) can you see something missing from this also?...
I will share with you what I see,....
A religious spirit, a personality type, using two colors in their crayon box, and that's black & white.
They color their world, in the colors of a carnal mind....
and again I ask you, what is the fundamental thing we tell ourselves, that gives us permission to hate and slaughter another person?
IMO...it's the lie, that it's us against them. They are evil, We are Good. We have the truth, they do not! God likes us Better! It's an elitist mentality that thinks we have righteousness in what we do, or what we abstain from. From what I believe, to what they believe. It's the Us against Them mentality. And I believe it is the sin of pride!
WE ARE ONE!
Medicine & the Medical Field are not evil nor are they God. It consits of humans that are carnal. And humans that are doing good by the will of God. I think it is folly to paint them as the enemy, or to trust that they have all the answers. God works all things for Good!
Doctors & Medicine like everything else operate according to the Divine Will and purpose of God. So to see them as your enemy or your savior is both Idolatry. They will not add a day or take away a day without Gods permission.
Just like Christmas trees or not, it will not add to your righteousness. Who Christ is is our righteousness.Please forgive my boldness, as we all sharpen each other, I grow also...
Brenda
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on August 15, 2008, 07:15:58 AM ---Hi Everyone,
Jumping in to add my 2 cents.
I've never heard anyone teach on this, so let me be clear, this understanding or observation comes from me. And everyday, I adjust according to what God has added to my awareness. This discussion here is the same one we just had in the thread on paganism. Different Topic, same principle.
If we look at our history and our present, what is at the root of all the hate? What has caused wars and slaughter between minkind. Other than Evil which is a broad Truth, what is the fundamental thing we tell ourselves, that gives us permission to hate and slaughter another person? Think about it.....how many wars are rooted in religious good intentions? Are we not in a war right now fundamentally due to different understandings of what is good & evil in the eyes of God?
The muslin's believe in God, but they have added to Gods word. They have Abraham in their teachings, but have burdened their people by imposing "Sins" in everything. Women must be covered. Women can not be educated. Does this not seem foolish to you,...in order to stop women from causing a man to sin by lusting after her, she has to live her life under a sheet.
What is wrong with this thinking? I have a friend who drives a city bus, he is a christian still in Babylon, and complains about the way women dress today are causing a brother to sin? (although women should be modestly dressed and not wanting to draw this attention) can you see something missing from this also?...
I will share with you what I see,....
A religious spirit, a personality type, using two colors in their crayon box, and that's black & white.
They color their world, in the colors of a carnal mind....
and again I ask you, what is the fundamental thing we tell ourselves, that gives us permission to hate and slaughter another person?
IMO...it's the lie, that it's us against them. They are evil, We are Good. We have the truth, they do not! God likes us Better! It's an elitist mentality that thinks we have righteousness in what we do, or what we abstain from. From what I believe, to what they believe. It's the Us against Them mentality. And I believe it is the sin of pride!
WE ARE ONE!
Medicine & the Medical Field are not evil nor are they God. It consits of humans that are carnal. And humans that are doing good by the will of God. I think it is folly to paint them as the enemy, or to trust that they have all the answers. God works all things for Good!
Doctors & Medicine like everything else operate according to the Divine Will and purpose of God. So to see them as your enemy or your savior is both Idolatry. They will not add a day or take away a day without Gods permission.
Just like Christmas trees or not, it will not add to your righteousness. Who Christ is is our righteousness.Please forgive my boldness, as we all sharpen each other, I grow also...
Brenda
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Excellent post Brenda...very well spoken. I am in complete agreement.
Marques
Beloved:
I have avoided commenting on this topic. I have not called Ray to talk to him. I know that this is a very emotional time and that he is dealing with many issues.
Brenda I think your post was excellent, Comin from you is bettter that it cam efrom me. I agree now is the time for spiritual discenment and lets put all carnal aside.
I think Ray going to this naturapath is very Good. I have talked to Ray many time in the past and he does not listen to advise. Because he has read some , he thinks he knows "all" I think God has his attention now.
First his diabetes is way out of control. RAY thinks he is eating good, but he is not. He is trying to eat the foods that are in this food toxic environment. His surgars are all over the place. How can he even think of working against this prostrate cancer in this state of being. He needs to lose weight too, this will help his blood pressure. He has to learn to eat a lot better. If God made it , eat it moderation, if man has tinkered with...avoid when ossible.
My only fear that the nathurpath will be too agressive with physical therapy, I am afraid for the bone fractures. He has putty where there should be bone right now. Pain will then enter in the equation.
Here in Nashville we think we found two open studies at vanderbilt both are for metaststatic prostrate cancer. he will get his medications free.
I most heartedly agree that he needs to take the Lupron. I do not understand why Ray thinks he is 'signing his death cetificate' (pray those words be removed from his mouth) All things are possible for God. Ray can do nothing in hiself...not even change a gray hair.
I give Lupron to health women (for endomriosis not resonsive, it is give before surgery to decrease the implants) It is not chemotherapy is the true sence. It work on the brain to shut off FSH and LH. By doing this all hormones stop including the testosterone which is feeding these prsostrate cells. These cell are like unruly teenages , consuming and moving all over the place and taking over. IT is time to dicopline these cells
Lupron worse side effect is ( like going into menopause) some of the ladies know this...hot flashes night sweats, insomnia and irritability probably for lack of sleep.
MY concern with the naturapth will be that he will probbly use SOY, which is good, but it may exaggerate and cause gyneasta (breast enlargemnt) . My hope is that a good diet will give him needed oxidants and vitamins, he is probably deplet of many despite taking some oral supplement. The goal is to keep him from becoming cachectic (emaciated) his body has very little nourishment within its being.
God has given this condition to Ray with purpose and for good. God's will must be done at this time. It is all Ray's decision in the end of all discussion
(Psa 85:10)
Mercy and Tuth are met together;
Righteousness and Pace have kissed each other.
God the father has given us the Law and Jesus has given us the Mercy, both of thes must be in balance in order for any event to give God the Glory.
In the meantime all the prayers from our members will be like a sweet smelling scent because we know God is soverign and pray in this manner.
Beloved
WE have a place for Ray to stay here in the area and he might only have to come once a month after the initial evaulation and first treatment. I am trying to get more information about the two trials
One is comparing a new trug to traditional
The other is comparing another drug used for proratrate with tradtional
I will pray that if Ray agrees to do this that God will place in the apporpriate program.
carol v:
Excellent post Brenda. And Beloved, I hope Ray will listen to hear another option. Hopefully and prayerfully, it is God's will that he will make the right decisions to prolong his life and his teaching. I have always thought that in the same situation I would combine traditional and alternative treatments.
My father died of cancer. My mother died 5 days later from a defective blood vessel exploding in her head. Because of my own migraines, I think I will probably go like my mother.
And Craig, one of the worst organizations duping the public like you mentioned is PETA. They have this "doctor" regularly going on TV telling people about the dangers of eating meat. I've seen him on the Today Show but he is not a medical doctor at all and fronts for PETA.
Interesting thread.
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