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To pastor Tony Smith at thewayofgodchurch.com
Falconn003:
What a joke.
Rodger
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: AK4 on August 15, 2008, 03:09:06 PM ---Hi Bradford and welcome.
I feel your pain, but i feel you are looking for someone to tell you what you should do. All we can really do is quote you scripture and then God will lead you to where he wants you to be. Maybe this situation you are in with your wife is just one of the fiery trials God is putting you through. Is the answer to get out of this fiery trial or to endure it and overcome it? You quoted scriptures to defend why you should get out, but what about all those about overcoming and enduring.
1Co 4:12 - Show Context
We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it;
2Co 1:8 - Show Context
We do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about the hardships we suffered in the province of Asia. We were under great pressure, far beyond our ability to endure, so that we despaired even of life.
2Ti 2:3 - Show Context
Endure hardship with us like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
2Ti 2:10 - Show Context
Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory.
2Ti 2:12 - Show Context
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
2Ti 4:5 - Show Context
But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
Heb 12:7 - Show Context
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father?
1Pe 2:20 - Show Context
But how is it to your credit if you receive a beating for doing wrong and endure it? But if you suffer for doing good and you endure it, this is commendable before God.
Re 3:10 - Show Context
Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth.
1Jo 5:4 - Show Context
for everyone born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith.
1Jo 5:5 - Show Context
Who is it that overcomes the world? Only he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.
Re 2:7 - Show Context
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.
Re 2:11 - Show Context
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Re 2:17 - Show Context
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will give some of the hidden manna. I will also give him a white stone with a new name written on it, known only to him who receives it.
Re 2:26 - Show Context
To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations--
Re 3:5 - Show Context
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
Re 3:12 - Show Context
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.
Re 3:21 - Show Context
To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Re 21:7 - Show Context
He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
I'm not saying you should do either, but we cannot and should not, IMO, advise you to stay or leave your wife and kids. (of, course we dont know all the details either).
My suggestion is to keep praying for an answer and patience and let God's will lead you.
One last suggestion, If you want your wife to believe as you believe, try dropping subtle things that might peak her interest i.e. print out one Rays paper and just leave it sitting out on the table where should will keep seeing it (i dont know, be creative) even little words or sayings. If she is the way I am picturing her (and most christians) you probably cant come at her directly with what you believe. Just a suggestion.
May God open her (yours and mines also) eyes to more truth,
Anthony
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Amen, and thanks for responding...
IN HIS LOVE
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on August 15, 2008, 04:02:13 PM ---I do not understand the Subject Line: Why "To pastor Tony Smith at thewayofgodchurch.com"?
--- Quote ---My wife either will not or simply cannot be subject and submissive to me in all things.
- Colossians 3:18 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
I’m beginning to wonder if I’m compromising God’s word by staying with her living out of God’s order.
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So just in case this was meant for this forum:
You cannot just get rid of your wife for that reason.
Stop cherry picking verses. There are verses about unbelieving wives and how you should deal with it. And dumping your wife is not an option.
If you need to ask your wife to do something, ask nicely with respect. If she doesn't obey, so what? That's her problem, not yours.
And never, never try and ram your religion down her throat. You'll be responsible for driving her away from the truth.
I cannot believe you would even consider getting rid of your wife for such a foolish reason.
Dennis
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Thanks for responding, and God bless. I'll stay prayerful.
Oh, and the reason i posted Tony Smith and thewayofgodchurch.com is because the pastor at this site says i should leave her. I posted here simply to get the prayers of fellow believers. They have a message bulletin at that site i posted it. This guy preaches very strong. So i just need prayer...
Talk to you soon...
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: carol v on August 15, 2008, 04:10:03 PM ---Leaving your wife and 3 kids will NOT result in your making your calling and election sure.
Great responses Dennis and Anthony.
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Did you see what they (the nation Israel) did in Ezra chapter nine and ten when God told them to put away those strange wives and children? Remember Abraham sent out Ishmael and was about to sacrifice Isaac.
- Matthew 10:37-38 - He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
There are some things we may all have to sacrifice if we're going to gain Christ and/or more of HIM.
- Philippians 3:7-8 - But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
- Luke 14:26 - If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
- Luke 14:33 - So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
Brothers and sisters, i believe we have to at least have a willing heart to lose everything if it means we're going to gain Christ and/or more of HIM.
- Matthew 10:34-35 - Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Sometimes what we of the household of faith are going to be led to do by THE FATHER through THE SPIRIT of Christ Jesus isn't going to always be the most popular and/or political correct thing. Are you seeking men's approval or God's approval?
- John 12:43 - For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
No man can serve two master's.
- Matthew 6:24 - No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Don't make no man or women your idol. God's jealous and shares HIS glory with no one.
- Isaiah 45:22 - Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Keep me in your prayers...
IN HIS LOVE
Bradigans:
--- Quote from: Linny on August 15, 2008, 04:33:13 PM ---Bradford, it is your flesh that wants to leave your family, not the Holy Spirit. When you say you wife won't submit to you, do you mean to your beliefs?
You cannot force her through submission to believe as you do. Pray that God will open her heart to the truth and until that time, only discuss the things you agree about when it comes to the Lord. There are plenty of those things I am sure. Your home needs peace. Your children need peace. And if you are that depressed, you also need peace.
Conflict and fear won't bring your wife to where you want her. Love her where she is and seek peace my friend. Let God take care of the rest.
Blessings,
Linny
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Thank you for your exhortation, and God bless.
IN HIS ETERNAL LOVE AND GRACE
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