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What is required of a disciple?
Daniel:
Gary
--- Quote ---The thing that keeps coming to thought is, since we came out of babylon and they brand us heretics, they condemn us to a fiery torture of hell forever. So my question is, if branded a heretic by a believer who does not believe in hell, one who also knows of the soverignity of God, and that God will save all, and confesses they forgive their enemies, where does a heretic go to these kind of people?
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Not sure if I caught that last question Gary, where do "we" go? As in holes in the ground? :lol: Or how can we go "to them"? I don't know, I never feel led to say anything or go anywhere as odd as that might sound.
Its not easy to be with cruel people, but their words do lose their sting knowing the grace of God in truth. Any of their words spoken in unkindness are "their own words" for which they answer for.
I cringe "for them" actually :shock:
Where you want to go Gary? :lol:
Daniel
Daniel:
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--- Quote ---I actually quoted the very verse in my post with the first and second admonition (in full) so I was not subjecting it to my own personal opinion. I only added the surrounding verses in its context, where did I subject my personal opinion to it?
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--- Quote ---We can't get there together if we butt the weak sheep and exclude on the basis of something that is naturally in part.
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Weak sheep you be correct. Wolves in sheeps clothing are the people to who i refer. That what your not seeing. Tha come as angels of light but are the ministers of satan and decieve many.
--- Quote ---He confronted unfruitful works of darkness, the strivings over words, the list is all there in scripture itself.
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I following Paul as he followed Christ. YOu assume i rebuking heretics because i hate and am 'meanspirited' NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH! I'm doing what Paul told us to do.
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I would only question the former in using it across the board in practically every case. Sometimes its used when it does not need to be. Doctrine and ones life go hand in hand. The doctrine is after godliness right? To Timothy Paul told to watch both his doctrine and his life to save the hearer. Nothing will cut an ear off to the gospel faster then a meanspirited deliverance of the message. Not saying being angry is wrong, we can be angry and sin not, Paul was and so was Jesus. They confronted hypocrisy. But they didn't seeth hatred
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You question 'not using it across the board in practically every case'? Who am i supposed to believe, Paul or You?
"seeth hatred" you judge my thoughts? YOu know the intent of my heart? Have you ever read any of Christs rebukes? I've been VERY CAREFUL not to overuse language. Yet you assume i do this out of hate?.?
--- Quote ---I love the concern and even the desire to bring back in exhibited, to me thats an example of the love and forgiveness of God.
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So do I. And when you come back i'll welcome you back like the cor. did the fornicator. Love...Steve
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Oh my :shock: Steve, where in any place have I adressed YOU personally? :shock: Not at all, you started a post for discussion, I was only joining in to speak with you concerning some verses to both add and have a bit of discussion.
I'm so sorry if you are taking my responses as being AT YOU rather then WITH YOU.
I do not want to get kicked off this board for intentions not mine. I will not respond no further, Im sorry I made you think for some reason this was about you, it was not but the general thought of the verses I was sharing.
Again, Im very very sorry
Daniel
SteveB:
Tit 2:11 For1063 the3588 grace of Godthat bringeth salvation4992 hath appeared2014 to all3956 men,
Tit 2:12 Chasening us that, denying ungodlinessand worldly lusts, we should live2198 soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;165
SteveB:
--- Quote ---I'm so sorry if you are taking my responses as being AT YOU rather then WITH YOU.
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I'll take you at your word and your forgiven. :D
Please forgive me for taking it that way.
Love...Steve
orion77:
ALL are put through the lake of fire. The lake of fire is Gods consuming Spirit. Few in this life, most at the great White Throne Judgment. Nonetheless we all are put through the fire, admit it or not. Noone can escape the judgment of God.
When we go through this, should we call our brothers and sisters a fool or even worse a heretic? Honestly, can a sinner judge another sinner? Or is this something left to the Righteous Judge, until we know in full, since now we know only in part?
Personally, I have Jesus Spirit in me, this is not known out of conjecture, but through true experiences. There is no doubt within myself at all. I thank the Lord for giving me that. He gave me strong faith, that is past what can be seen or even sensed in my mind. This is why I speak of the love of God often and to be honest, not often enough.
I cannot help if some people can not understand that, but just because they cannot understand it, will not deny the fact that God is all about love, mercy and forgiveness. Especially seeing that we believe that all will be saved in the longrun.
His strong love brings me through the fire of His Spirit with chastisement, puts me through persecutions, that shows me through experience and not only the reading of His word, how to and not to treat my fellow brethren and sisters.
This is what is meant to be careful, we might be speaking to angels (messengers) unaware. Gods true people do not put all their cards on the table. They test those spirits and are careful not to cast their pearl before swine. We must speak in brotherly love and not to show two pair, when the one you accuse, might be holding a full house.
God bless,
Gary
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