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What is required of a disciple?
SteveB:
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--- Quote ---i hear you Steve
loud and clear, what you typed there is identical to what i have learned, particularly as i have listened to Mikes audio mp3's.
and felt it confirmed in the spirit.
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These are not my words they were taken right from mikes audio talk 'what is a disciple' i just cut and pasted them.
--- Quote ---but what can be done?
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We can stand up and let OUR Light shine. The ones who hear US hear God and the ones who dont, dont. Not because were anything but ONLY because Chirst is IN US, there His works and NOT OF OURSELFS!
--- Quote ---people like Lightseeker and SOTW and plenty of others before them continue to be allowed on the bt board, and people that don't understand these concepts continue to misinterpret the motives of any who want to rebuke those who are not following Christ, if what they type is anything to go by, and what else is there to go by on a message board.
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This is my main concern. The people, Gods people, can be led away with every wind of doctrine from the wolves who seek to TEACH and dont understand what they say or do. :cry:
--- Quote ---that's why it might be a good idea to have a section of the forum called the
"i agree" section.
in that section you are not a trinitarian you are not posting sneaky attacks or casting doubt on Mike and Rays teachings etc etc it is understood that you agree.
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Thats a great idea :idea:
--- Quote ---time and time again i come on the bt board get really blessed and interested in something then BLANG!! some hogwash post straight out of carnal central needs refuting rebuking or just plain deleting.
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I know. This 'cant we all just get along' nonsense is VERY deceptive. It makes you look like the bad guy. This is why Christ said WE WILL BE HATED OF ALL MEN. EVEN THE ONES WHO BELIEVE IN UR.
--- Quote ---i've got better things to do than waste time refuting heretics. (after two admonitions)
if i wanted to read deceptive posts i could go to any number of message boards.
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Its not the heretics i'm worried about(God will deal with them) its the sincere people who are looking for the Truth and are being led astray.
--- Quote ---rambling on a bit here.
or the idea of having a part of the message board you can only get into if you are invited and seconded by people who have read your posts and found you to be at least not a trinitarian or Ray and Mike dissenter or some other kind of Truth hater.
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That is an AWSOME IDEA! For only those who are of ONE MIND, Jesus Christs.
--- Quote ---oh i can hear the cries now
ELITIST! SNOB! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!
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Get used to it brother. YOU WILL BE HATED OF ALL MEN.
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anyways
who cares what i think i certainly dont, Gods will be done
another day closer to the place no dissenters enter
one day the door will be shut on all this tomfoolery and wickedness
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
God knows i long for that day
no more alexander the coppersmith
no more balaam and jezebel
no more hymenaeus
no more false brethren
etc etc etc
hehe poor old ertsky needs to go and have a lie down now
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My heart aches for the full manifistion of the SONS OF GOD. Brother its coming, I tell you the Truth.
Love...Steve
Daniel:
Daniel
1Cr 13:2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Knowledge is what vanishes away
Steve
--- Quote ---Does that mean you shouldnt have it?
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Daniel
Ofcourse not Steve, its not the end all but a means to the end, if you will allow the saying for lack of better words.
2Peter 1:5-9 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.[/u] But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Whats the difference between the form of knowledge and the light of knowledge? The gospel or the light of the gospel? The form of godliness or the power of godliness? Knowledge alone without love is what he is speaking of. Paul had knowledge himself and with it he became all things to all men to win them. He confronted unfruitful works of darkness, the strivings over words, the list is all there in scripture itself.
--- Quote ---Asking questions is cool. I do. Building up others is cool. I do(Lordwilling)
Teaching false doctrine is not cool. Those who do after the second admonition MUST BE REJECTED. THATS A COMMAND AND NOT SUBJECT TO YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.
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Daniel responds,
I actually quoted the very verse in my post with the first and second admonition (in full) so I was not subjecting it to my own personal opinion. I only added the surrounding verses in its context, where did I subject my personal opinion to it?
This is the verse prior to it
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
They kicked out that "wicked man" for his immoral practices, but even "that wicked man" was brought back in in 2 Corinthiians (see below)
I would only question the former in using it across the board in practically every case. Sometimes its used when it does not need to be. Doctrine and ones life go hand in hand. The doctrine is after godliness right? To Timothy Paul told to watch both his doctrine and his life to save the hearer. Nothing will cut an ear off to the gospel faster then a meanspirited deliverance of the message. Not saying being angry is wrong, we can be angry and sin not, Paul was and so was Jesus. They confronted hypocrisy. But they didn't seeth hatred :lol:
--- Quote ---What is your def. of Love?
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The one spoken of in scripture best describes that which you can discern in another. You can note who has some of "that" in them :wink: as well as the wisdom that descendeth down is perfectly described in scripture and its fruit.
Of the man in 1 Cornthians who was cast out, have you ever read Paul's second letter in regard to him?
2Cr 2:6 Sufficient to such a man [is] this punishment, which [was inflicted] of many.
2Cr 2:7 So that contrariwise ye [ought] rather to forgive [him], and comfort [him], lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow.
2Cr 2:28 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would confirm [your] love toward him.[/u]
2Cr 2:9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things.
2Cr 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I [forgive] also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave [it], for your sakes [forgave I it] in the person of Christ;
I love the concern and even the desire to bring back in exhibited, to me thats an example of the love and forgiveness of God.
Daniel
orion77:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Heres my two cents Steve, prior to that verse is what is profitable and after shows what is not profitable, even vain itself.
Titus 3:8 [This is] a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.[/u]
Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Titus 3:11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
Abiding in the doctrine of Christ is so we might bear fruit to God, to be a partaker of His divine nature. The wholesome words of Christ whose doctrine is according to Godliness
1Titus 6:3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, [even] the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
Knowing and understanding all things is not something to be impatient toward if patience is a fruit of the spirit that is to be found in us.
1Cr 13:2 And though I have [the gift of] prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith[/u], so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.[/u]
Knowledge is what vanishes away
1Cr 3:8 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.[/u]
Its not wrong to know in part
1Cr 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Cr 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.[/u]
Which includes knowledge
Aren't we to be perfected in love? Faith worketh by love, its the goal of our faith, the evidence God dwells in us (who is love). His disciples would be known by their love for one another. To know God is to love Him and the brethren even our enemies. Even if one would say, "I love God" but hate his brother that defines one as a liar. Same goes for Gods love and lliving according to His commandments, He commands us to "love one another".
Obedience unto what?
1Peter 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently:
I love this verse you quoted Steve, helpers of ones joy!! Not dominion over others faith, some have a weak faith others strong, enough to move mountains if need be, but if faith works by love what good is faith without love? Would I not be nothing at all?
2 Co 1:24 Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand.
Paul gave examples of heresy for us that we can know. I think its commendable to be accepting of others who are weak in faith. Thats what the body of Christ does but builds "up" until we all come to the unity of the faith. We can't get there together if we butt the weak sheep and exclude on the basis of something that is naturally in part. These CAN indeed be known even "all" but they are in part and can be had without love. The form of knowledge puffs up, the light of knowledge manifests itself in love.
If we cannot even love one another how can we love those who hate us? The first should be easy, and that seems impossible with some. :lol:
Daniel
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Here is one with true knowledge, very well said Daniel.
The thing that keeps coming to thought is, since we came out of babylon and they brand us heretics, they condemn us to a fiery torture of hell forever. So my question is, if branded a heretic by a believer who does not believe in hell, one who also knows of the soverignity of God, and that God will save all, and confesses they forgive their enemies, where does a heretic go to these kind of people?
God bless,
Gary
SteveB:
--- Quote ---I actually quoted the very verse in my post with the first and second admonition (in full) so I was not subjecting it to my own personal opinion. I only added the surrounding verses in its context, where did I subject my personal opinion to it?
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--- Quote ---We can't get there together if we butt the weak sheep and exclude on the basis of something that is naturally in part.
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Weak sheep you be correct. Wolves in sheeps clothing are the people to who i refer. That what your not seeing. Tha come as angels of light but are the ministers of satan and decieve many.
--- Quote ---He confronted unfruitful works of darkness, the strivings over words, the list is all there in scripture itself.
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I following Paul as he followed Christ. YOu assume i rebuking heretics because i hate and am 'meanspirited' NOTHING COULD BE FARTHER FROM THE TRUTH! I'm doing what Paul told us to do.
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I would only question the former in using it across the board in practically every case. Sometimes its used when it does not need to be. Doctrine and ones life go hand in hand. The doctrine is after godliness right? To Timothy Paul told to watch both his doctrine and his life to save the hearer. Nothing will cut an ear off to the gospel faster then a meanspirited deliverance of the message. Not saying being angry is wrong, we can be angry and sin not, Paul was and so was Jesus. They confronted hypocrisy. But they didn't seeth hatred
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You question 'not using it across the board in practically every case'? Who am i supposed to believe, Paul or You?
"seeth hatred" you judge my thoughts? YOu know the intent of my heart? Have you ever read any of Christs rebukes? I've been VERY CAREFUL not to overuse language. Yet you assume i do this out of hate?.?
--- Quote ---I love the concern and even the desire to bring back in exhibited, to me thats an example of the love and forgiveness of God.
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So do I. Love...Steve
SteveB:
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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