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samuel3:
Hers a word for you Kat.  Ray says that freewill is a myth.  Yet today i opened up the book and poof there is the word FREEWILL IN THE BIBLE many times. So the word is wrong and Ray is right?

KristaD:
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This is not the place to decide if you agree with the teaching of L.Ray Smith, but a place you can retreat to when you do.

This forum is primarily a place for people of a like mind to fellowship, and secondarily to discuss and question what they learn on bible-truths.com.

If you seriously disagree with Ray, please email him directly.

If you come here to teach us, please take your teaching elsewhere.
This is the second person this week to come here NOT in agreement. I am personally not coming here to debate with people about what I believe, I can do that (and have to do that) everywhere else. If someone does not see the truth in the scriptures we can do nothing to convince them, we can only pray. It is futile to argue with these people and we are not supposed to have to defend our beliefs here.

Dave in Tenn:
Freewill appears in the OT 17 times in the KJV.  In 16 of those occurences, it is translated from a single Hebrew word and part of a 'phrase' in English "Freewill Offerings".

When Ray is talking about 'Free Will' he is talking about a Doctrine.  He's not talking about 'Freewill Offerings'.  "Freewill Offerings" is the translation of the pure word of God.  If a man built a doctrine around the use of the word "freewill" in the scripture, he'd be pretty lame.  These are offerings which were not compulsory under the law.  We all make choices, including whether to give or not give.  Ray teaches that these choices are not without cause and can't be made otherwise.  That's hard to grasp for many, but born out of Scripture.  Making a 'Freewill Offering' is one of those choices, but doesn't 'prove' a larger Doctrine of the Churches that Man has a Free Will.

I hope that helps.



      

carol v:
Samuel, I'm not Kat and she really is the best at answering this stuff but the only time you see "freewill" in the Bible is in the freewill offering. It does not mean free will in the sense Ray is talking about in his article about God's Sovereignty. It is a "voluntary" offering. Ironically, you could probably use your Strong's in esword to search the Hebrew word used for "freewill" in this case and learn a lot.

Have you actually studied all the scriptures that Ray points out about God's Sovereignty. And Ray is not the only one teaching this so if you would like others, please pm me. We are not all sheep that believe everything Ray says is right because Ray said it. I could tell you several things I disagree with him on but God's Sovereignty certainly isn't one of them. The Myth of Free Will is a great article in my opinion.

You sound so angry, Samuel. I think you should study quite a bit more...but I'm sure Kat will have a great response based on research. I'd look it up for ya but I have to go cook dinner and I don't think you really want an answer as much as an argument.

carol v:
Well said Krista.

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