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Strong delusion
chuckt:
--- Quote from: AK4 on August 22, 2008, 07:18:57 AM ---I agree chuckt,
If you think about it, dont all three of these tie in together--- free will, immortal soul, and the audacity of saying God will punish most of mankind in hell.
Its just one big lie! one on top of another.
Anthony
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YES EXACTLY, they are indeed tied together!!!
and they culminate into the big lie, that God's judgments are ""unjust""
you say God is love, they say ""dont forget JUST"" and their view of JUSTICE IS unjust >:(
boils down to unequal weights and measurments.
they delight in the """other"" people getting their just deserve :-[
God bless
chuckt
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: AK4 on August 22, 2008, 07:18:57 AM ---I agree chuckt,
If you think about it, dont all three of these tie in together--- free will, immortal soul, and the audacity of saying God will punish most of mankind in hell.
Its just one big lie! one on top of another.
Anthony
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Great points Anthony...I was about to post this same statement until I saw yours.
I believe Ray made a statement once were he asked the bible study participants "what are the 2 biggest misconceptions that the church believes?" He went on to state that they don't believe in the sovereignty of God and they also believe that judgment is eternal. Both of these points go hand & hand with your statement.
Marques
carol v:
In the delusion of believing all that chuck and all of you have mentioned, the bottom line is they believe they are their own saviours. Because they were smart enough and good enough to "accept" Christ of their own free will and "you" weren't, then they get all the credit.
My SDA friend that died recently (I seem to mention her a lot but a miss her greatly) completely believed and taught free will. Her husband is a non-believing skeptic. She told me that her acceptance of Christ also covered her husband -- so in essence she was not only responsible for her own salvation but was her husband's saviour as well. She certainly would not have seen it that way but then isn't that what delusion is all about.
The greatest thing about believing in free will is that you get to be your own saviour and lord it over those who aren't. That appeals to every part of the beast on our throne.
chuckt:
--- Quote ---In the delusion of believing all that chuck and all of you have mentioned, the bottom line is they believe they are their own saviours. Because they were smart enough and good enough to "accept" Christ of their own free will and "you" weren't, then they get all the credit.
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Hi C :-*
some yes, but then you have those that say God has predestined the elect for salvation and the nonelect for eternal torment. never even having a chance thru ""freewill""
they say christ only died for the elect, they say God created souls for eternal torment for his good pleasure.
these are even more sick and twisted, both sides have to justify their belief in tradition of eternal torment.
i will stand before Christ and his daddy with the beleif (( and knowledge )) that Christ Cross was suffiecent for ALL men of ALL time and that the Cross has nothing on the curse,
we are indeed reproched for this teaching, but it is Good in the eyes of God.and is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
inlove
chuckt
Phil3:10:
Anthony,
My belief is the strong delusion relates to nearly the entire institutional, organized, Christian church system.
There is more deception and outright lies within same than in about anything I know.
Phil3:10
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