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Amrhrasach

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LOF Part III.......comment
« on: September 01, 2008, 07:06:39 PM »

From LOF Part III.

"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was CAST into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15)

Are they TORTURED by this fire? It doesn’t say.   Are they KILLED, do they die? It doesn’t say.    Do they ever COME OUT? It doesn’t say.    How LONG does this lake of fire last? It doesn’t say.

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall HAVE THEIR PART in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8.

Is this group of sinners TORTURED by this fire? It doesn’t say.   Are they KILLED, do they DIE in this lake of fire/second death? It doesn’t say.  Do they ever COME OUT? It doesn’t say.   How LONG does this lake of fire/second death last? It doesn’t say.

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"And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was CAST into the lake of fire" (Rev. 20:15…………..” which is the second death" (Rev. 21:8

Now, I may be just WAY off base here but my thinking on these things came out like this:   

If God is “calling out” some believers NOW who will NOT partake of the “lake of fire”, or, .“the second death”, and if these same people have “volunteered” to partake of the judgments of God now, while on earth, or God has “chosen” some to be judged NOW, then, would it stand to reason?

>>>since the 2nd death or the lake of fire is a judgment and purging for those who are not in the book of life, then, those who have been chosen, or, are in the book of life and are being judged and purged now would make it appear to be that these chosen are experiencing the 2nd death FIRST, so the 1st death, the physical death, will be last for these chosen.  So, in essence, everyone experiences the 2nd death, even the chosen?

Or, do the chosen simply experience the "judgments" and the purging, but will not experience the 2nd death?

A timing issue?

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Perhaps I just made the elementary appear like calculus. 

Maybe I’ve been reading too much.

How muddy did I make the water?
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rk12201960

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Re: LOF Part III.......comment
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2008, 07:11:37 PM »

Hi Amrhasah,
info overload?  ;D
It all fits together.
Take time to let it soak in. You'll put it together.

Peace and Wisdom
Randy
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Kat

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Re: LOF Part III.......comment
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2008, 07:25:01 PM »


Hi Amrhrasach,

Here is section E in the Lake of Fire series 'Hades & the Second Death' this should help your understanding.

http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D5.htm ---------------------------

Now get ready for a real revelation. There are two mysteries in Heb. 9:27 when applied to God's Elect:

what and when is the "ONCE to die?"

what and when is the "after this JUDGMENT?"

We will take up the Elect's Judgment part of this verse first.

We learned that Gehenna fire, and unquenchable fire, and eonian fire, and the furnace of fire, and being salted with fire, and the lake of fire, are all the same fire, and this fire is JUDGMENT. Now then, since the lake of fire is judgment, and the lake of fire "is" also the second death, if follows that the second death also "is" judgment. THE SECOND DEATH IS JUDGMENT, AND JUDGMENT IS THE SECOND DEATH.

Had God wanted to make things easy, He could have inspirited Heb. 9:27 to read like this: "And as it is appointed unto men ONCE to die, but after this the SECOND death."

For that is what the second death is, JUDGMENT. Likewise then, Judgment is the SECOND death. After the ONCE to die comes the SECOND to die. Or: After the FIRST death comes the SECOND death. Simple enough when God gives us eyes to see. But there is still an enigma about this verse that we will cover a little later.

GOD'S ELECT MUST DIE THE SECOND DEATH THROUGH JUDGMENT

As a young man I used to think, horrors of horrors, God is going to throw people into a lake of fire which will be their SECOND death! It all seemed so frightful and final. Little did I know that we are all destined for some form of this same lake of fire/second death/judgment. Yes, God's Elect must also die the SECOND death.

It's all in Rom. 8:13:

"For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

Paul puts people into two options (based on God's foreknowledge):

OPTION ONE is for the wicked world: "For if you live after the flesh, you shall DIE..." Not only will they die, because "it is appointed to men once to die" (Heb. 9:27). But after they die, they will then come up in the resurrection to judgment, which is the "lake of fire/second death" (Rev. 20:13-14).

OPTION TWO is for God's Elect: "...but if you through the Spirit do mortify [kill, put to death] the deeds of the body, ye shall live" (Rom. 8:13). Therefore, in the resurrection, "...you shall not be hurt of the second death" (Rev. 2:11). "...and he that has part in the first resurrection on such the second death has no power" (Rev. 20:6).

The second death is not a literal death of the physical body--neither for the Elect nor the Wicked. It is a death of the carnal mind, the heart of sin, the nature of sin. Our literal, physical flesh and blood does not die a second time. But all character flaws associated with sin must die: All believing Elect Saints of God must DIE TO THE FLESH OF THE CARNAL MIND. Death is the daily life of the Believer!
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mercy, peace and love
Kat


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