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Daniel:
Thank you Ertsky,
Why did he not say both were temporal? Or say, that which is sseen is temporal as well as those things which are unseen? They seemed to be used in "contrast to one another", thats why I asking.
I see eternal life as knowing God as Jesus defines plainly, "That they might KNOW THEE", just as Pauls words were, "that I might KNOW HIM". Our hope of that IF I were TOLD THAT by the institutional church :roll: I would have sooner fled to lay hold of such a possibiliity or the HOPE of THAT (eternal life). Its just been "reduced to"... well you very well know what its been reduced to :roll: Its a lively hope, couldn't see that there though, some got it but very few.
But back to my second thought concerning what Jesus said, "THIS is eternal life or life eternal, meaning HERES WHAT IT IS :lol: that we might KNOW THEE. Thats what it is right? To KNOW Him is to LOVE Him and to LOVE the brethren, makes sense then that NOTHING can separate us from the LOVE OF GOD in Christ Jesus.
Heres the RECORD as defined by John here
1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
If I back up, and repeat its clearer
1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.[/u]
Heres the SAME RECORD NOT BELIEVED UPON
1John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Don't believe what RECORD?
1John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may KNOW HIM that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. THIS IS the true God, and eternal life.[/u]
It abides in us, and some not yet
1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.[/u]
To me, simply put they don't KNOW HIM,
1John 3:4 We know that we have passed from death unto life, BECAUSE we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.[/u]
Same with not believing Gods record making God a liar defines in light of this what one says and their loves defines them where they are at spiritually speaking
1John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
I'm seeing eternal life more after a knowing of God, defined by love, more then anything. But I do question the above verse concerning that which is seen being temporal verses that which is unseen being eternal. Seems like a contrasting verse though :?
Daniel
ertsky:
Hi Daniel
--- Quote ---Why did he not say both were temporal? Or say, that which is sseen is temporal as well as those things which are unseen? They seemed to be used in "contrast to one another", thats why I asking.
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the things that are unseen are not temporal but neither are all of them eternal, even the kingdom is not eternal but has an end as in
1Co 15:24 Afterwards, the end—whensoever he delivereth up the kingdom unto his God and Father, whensoever he shall bring to nought all rule and all authority and power;
1Co 15:25 For he must needs reign, until he shall put all his enemies under his feet:
1Co 15:26 As a last enemy, death, is to be destroyed;
1Co 15:27 For—He put, all things, in subjection under his feet. But, whensoever it shall be said—all things are in subjection!—it is evident that it means,—Except him who did put into subjection, unto him, the all things—
1Co 15:28 But whensoever have been put into subjection, unto him, the all things, then, the Son himself, also shall be put in subjection unto him who put in subjection, unto him, the all things,—that, God, may be, all things in all.
woohoo!
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chrissiela:
Daniel,
I agree with you. Eternal life is to KNOW GOD!. The scriptures clearly state this to be the case.
I also think that you are correct that "temporal" and "eternal" are in contrast, but I am not sure if you are seeing that 'contrast' the same as I am??
To me, it is like the flesh vs the spirit. The flesh profits nothing and we are to crucify the flesh and walk IN THE SPIRIT. So, to me, that which is seen (flesh) is "temporal" (would be walking after the flesh) and that which is unseen is "eternal" (walking after the spirit, which would also be 'to know God').
Does that make sense?
We pass from DEATH unto LIFE.... flesh to spirit.... temporal to "eternal"....
Chrissie
Daniel:
Thats EXACTLY what I was talking about Chrissie, I see the same thing. Afterall theres the HIDDEN MAN :lol: To look AT that which is unseen , (or not seen) upon the heart. That man is incorruptible. :lol:
You are very good at catching things Chrissie!
Daniiel
Daniel:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---Hi Daniel
--- Quote ---Why did he not say both were temporal? Or say, that which is sseen is temporal as well as those things which are unseen? They seemed to be used in "contrast to one another", thats why I asking.
--- End quote ---
the things that are unseen are not temporal but neither are all of them eternal, even the kingdom is not eternal but has an end as in
1Co 15:24 Afterwards, the end—whensoever he delivereth up the kingdom unto his God and Father, whensoever he shall bring to nought all rule and all authority and power;
1Co 15:25 For he must needs reign, until he shall put all his enemies under his feet:
1Co 15:26 As a last enemy, death, is to be destroyed;
1Co 15:27 For—He put, all things, in subjection under his feet. But, whensoever it shall be said—all things are in subjection!—it is evident that it means,—Except him who did put into subjection, unto him, the all things—
1Co 15:28 But whensoever have been put into subjection, unto him, the all things, then, the Son himself, also shall be put in subjection unto him who put in subjection, unto him, the all things,—that, God, may be, all things in all.
woohoo!
f
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Amen Ertsky! Our CARNAL MIND is DEATH and we were ENEMIES in our MINDS. As Ray says the CARNAL MIND is GREAT HATRED toward God. Thank GOD for the MIND OF CHRIST which is LIFE and PEACE!!!
DEATH (the carnal mind) SWALLOWED UP in LIFE (The mind of Christ). He's doing His perfect work! :wink: Being "perfected" IN LOVE, LIGHT, LIFE, no more hatred, darkness, and death when He is finished with us, God will be all in all. :D "eternal life" sounds like GOD LIFE, partaker of His divine nature, the precious incorruptible fruits of Him :D
Daniel
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