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Dennis Vogel:
http://bible-truths.com/praying.htm

Becky:
Great paper!  It got me really thinking and I have a question!

 My family (parents and sister)  trasditionally prayed around the dinner table.  I feel that it has become too habitual.  We don't have to pray at dinner all the time do we?  Am I ungrateful for not thanking God for my dinner every day (at dinner time)?  

Also when we'd go out to dinner at a restaurant, we'd pray as a group.  I cant do this anymore. I dont want to draw attention to myself.  I feel it looks pious.  I feel guilty when I bow my head in a restaurant, because by that pont, I'm so distracted from not wanting to pray in public, that I don't even pray...geee....

Looking at prayer in a whole new light is hard to do.  I want to really understand the details of prayer.

Daniel:
Ray wrote,

We will be forgiven our sins ONLY if we forgive those who sin against us. We really need to give this some thought. We cannot bless God while cursing our enemy or our fellow man, and expect God to bless us (James 3:9).

Daniel writes,

Amen Ray!!!! This was a beautiful paper, I agree with Becky, I enjoyed this one among the many.

Ray writes,

While it is true that "…God cannot be tempted with evil, neither temps He any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed" (James 1:13-14), we must also consider that wherever temptation is, there also is Satan:

"And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise… And the woman said [to God] The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat" (Gen. 3:6 & 13).

"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ" (II Cor. 11:3).

"Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil … All these things will I [Satan] give you [Jesus], if you will fall down and worship me" (Matt. 4:1 & 9).

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts [desires, temptations] of your father ye will do…" (John 8:44).

"Be sober; be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion walks about, seeking whom he may devour [swallow down]" (I Pet. 5:8).

"And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world…" (Rev. 12:9).

Satan, not God is the great tempter, and he has temped and deceived the whole world. But here is where God does come in. After we are tempted of Satan, God is our Redeemer:

"And the servant of the Lord must not strive, but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in meekness instructing [correcting] those that oppose themselves; if God peradvanture will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves [‘…but deliver us from the wicked one’ Matt. 6:13] out of the snare [Gk: ‘trap, temptation’] of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will" (II Tim. 2:24-26).

Daniel writes,

1Titus 6:3 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

A thought of this one through Rays paper came to me

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high [things]: he is a king over all the children of pride. children of the devil?

God resists "the proud" (we should resist the devil, not ignorant of his devices right? or the lusts of the flesh). He resists "the proud"gives grace to the humble can these be related?

Great paper Ray!!!

Daniel

Daniel:
Amen Bobby! Pray in secret He sees in secret :D  Unless ofcourse the reward you seek is only the praise of men verses the praise of God.

Mathew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

No one would pray "in secret" (where the Father sees) for ones enemies if they did not believe this. I'll tell you it was not the first thing that came to my mind either, but God does see this kind of prayer according to His will. I love that it is written, "that ye may be" the childrren of your Father in heaven. Thanksgiving to Him! Ray has that right.

It does speak somewhere of others becoming "unthankful" :shock:

Daniel

SteveB:
Wonderful Paper!

A lot of questions answered and urge everyone to read.

The 'must be' revelation is a great Truth hidden by the translators. I wasnt aware of it.

I to find myself thanking God for 'small things' like childrens smiles, flowers, birds, clouds, the wind etc.

I really loved these two verses...

"Be rejoicing in the Lord always! Again, I will declare, be rejoicing! Let your lenience be known to all men: The Lord is near. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING, but in everything, by prayer and petition, WITH THANKSGIVING, let your requests be made known to God, and the peace of God, that is superior to every frame of mind, shall be garrisoning your hearts and your apprehensions in Christ Jesus.

For the rest, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is grave, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is agreeable, whatever is renowned—if there be any virtue, and if any applause, be taking these into account. What you learned also, and accepted and hear and perceived in me, these be putting into practice, and the God of peace will be with you" (Phil. 4-9, Concordant Literal N.T.).



Peace...Steve

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