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Kent:
I cannot figure this out. There seems to be a consensus here that teaching is verboten.
I am not writing about posting ones teachings here on this forum, I understand why that is not wanted. I am writing about correcting peoples errors when it comes to this damnable "eternal hell" doctrine. Since when does it take a "teacher" to correct these errors?
Since when does one have to be called to be a teacher, to explain a few things that really are simple to explain?

I sure am glad that someone on a forum questioned me about a few things, and explained a few other things, that led me to this place.

This entire planet is filled with people teaching errors as truth. How is it wrong to correct things by "teaching"? I am not talking about a formal teaching session, or doing what Ray does by explaining a lot more than this "hell" nonsense. I can't do that.

I am talking about regular civil conversations. If no one responds, so be it. The seed was planted, and if it grows then it grows because that is what God chose to do.

People seem to be too worried about how other people will respond, and instead of standing up, they shut up.  That is the definite impression I am getting, and I am being rather diplomatic here. Maybe it's just me. I've been kicked around since I was a kid, and a little persecution doesn't bother me. It's water off a ducks back.

So, does anyone have scripture handy that tells us not to contend for the faith (Jude 1:3) and just let God handle it alone? If not, then why don't people do it?
If there is, then this should be the definitive "no teaching at all" post to end all posts, and I and other should just keep our mouths shut about Our Little Secret.

hillsbororiver:
Kent,

If someone wishes to engage you in conversation about your beliefs or opinions on doctrines there is no issue, if we go about wielding our newly sharpened sword (of His Word) seeking to slay the beliefs of others, imposing ourselves on them that is a different matter entirely.

To be honest and at the risk of sounding self absorbed I am really at the point now where my focus is inward, my beastly old man and the incredible resiliency he has, springing back to life sometimes before I even realize it. This is what I believe is the more important part of my walk presently, not looking outward to contend with others beliefs especially unsolicited. 

I enjoy friendly, casual conversations about God and His plan, but I have found that debating these things is for me a carnal exercise. I believe we all should be very careful in trying to push God's plan forward with our own understanding and will. Why worry about things He Himself has promised to take care of?

His Peace to you Brother,

Joe

Kent:
Thank you Joe.

But that is not what I am writing about. I am not looking to show people how smart and wise  ::) I am. What I do is show people that do not call themselves Christians that there is no such thing as "eternal hell", because IMO that is a big stumbling block. I know that unless that person has their eyes and ears opened by God, nothing will sink in, and that goes for the "christian" and unbeliever too.
But who am I to decide if God has opened their eyes and ears? I don't know that. But I will also say that scripture is always given to me. I might have to look up book, chapter, and verse, but that is what happens.

In a nutshell, here is how things usually go:

Someone will start off with the "pray the sinners prayer, you worthless sinner, and be saved from burning forever in hell". The sinner will snort and say something sarcastic, usually. Then that is when I show that unbeliever what scripture actually says. Then there is usually some back-and-forth, My being called a "heretic" by the "christian" ... and being called much worse... When the unbeliever stops asking questions, I am out of the loop. The "christian" hardly, if ever, asks questions unless he / she is setting a trap.

But a part of it might be that God is being lied about. That does bother me.
A lot.

Peace, bro! ;D

Dennis Vogel:
Hi Kent,

This forum is filled with old posts about the futility of trying to shine a light on the truth about hell.

I've said this before, it's a miracle they cannot get it (Christian or not). It is so obvious to us. But as Rays says "the blind cannot see."

But I'm with you. Anytime someone brings up hell, I cannot just sit there and not say anything. It is the most disgusting lie every told. However even the lie is part of the plan.

Dennis

mharrell08:
Hello Kent,

I don't think we can sum up every and all instances to teaching or not teaching. Each situation requires spiritual discernment. I know that only God can bring my wife and other family members to the truth, but I still like to discuss the Word with them with the direct purpose to use the scriptures to poke holes through their Babylonian beliefs. At first, especially after just reading Ray's teachings, my heart was not entirely in the right place. But now, instead of trying to debate, I use the scriptures to show marvelous truths to hopefully make them feel better about their Father in heaven who they do not truly know.

I do understand how you feel about wanting to correct people's false beliefs with simple scriptures & explainations. I think we, the members here on the forum, speak a lot about 'not everyone is called to teach' because of our own experiences with attempting to bring the gospel to friends & family. I think almost everyone here has either started a thread or made a post based off these futile experiences. Usually, the point of saying 'not everyone is called to teach' is to make the member not feel so frustrated. This obviously is not the case with you so if you feel led to speak the gospel, go ahead. And as long as you are mindful of your heart's true desire (whether of God's will or your carnality) then have godly conversations.

Isaiah 52:7  How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings...

1 Cor. 1:21  ...God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.


Hope this helps,

Marques


P.S.  Great point Dennis...I feel the same way as you and Kent when someone lies on our Father in heaven. What child wouldn't be upset if someone lied about their Father? :-)

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