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Sozo:
Has Ray addressed the following passages before? I have been unable to find it if he has.
Numbers 31:7-18
"They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves."
Obviously these women were taken against their will. This would have been murder, kidnapping and rape. The whole scenario could possibly even be labeled as genocide.
Maybe I'm jumping the gun by asking about this before I have spent much time studying it. I guess I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction on these passages. Any insight would be helpful.
Thanks
Kent:
Where does it say anything about rape?
Murder? I dont see removing a proven threat as murder. It's not just semantics either. These weren't innocent people. The innocent people were spared. Does the fact that women were killed bother you? Read it again and see what they did.
Women want(ed) equality? Then they can be treated as equals.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Sozo on September 04, 2008, 08:35:18 PM ---
But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.
--- End quote ---
Hi Sozo,
We must not look at the OT as merely some history of ancient days, in fact it is at least as much a prophecy/shadow/type of what is to come in a spiritual sense, this very well may be speaking in physical terms the spiritual slaying that transpires in the LOF.
Who are/were these women?
These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.
Could they also be?
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Some food for thought......
Peace,
Joe
P.S. Remember the entire bible is a parable. ;)
Sozo:
--- Quote from: Kent on September 05, 2008, 05:49:50 AM ---Where does it say anything about rape?
Murder? I dont see removing a proven threat as murder. It's not just semantics either. These weren't innocent people. The innocent people were spared. Does the fact that women were killed bother you? Read it again and see what they did.
Women want(ed) equality? Then they can be treated as equals.
--- End quote ---
Your right. It says nothing about rape. However, if a woman is taken and forced to become your wife, then doesn't it stand to reason that the woman would also be forced to have sex? Wouldn't that be rape?
You said removing a threat is not murder. According to these passages the threat was already removed. The only reason some of the women were killed is because they were not virgins. So there was no threat. Would this not be considered murder?
I'm not trying to start an argument with anyone on this. I'm just looking for a little insight.
Thanks,
Jason
Sozo:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on September 05, 2008, 06:27:35 AM ---We must not look at the OT as merely some history of ancient days, in fact it is at least as much a prophecy/shadow/type of what is to come in a spiritual sense, this very well may be speaking in physical terms the spiritual slaying that transpires in the LOF.
Who are/were these women?
These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.
Could they also be?
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Some food for thought......
Peace,
Joe
P.S. Remember the entire bible is a parable. ;)
--- End quote ---
So are you saying that this was not an actual event that took place? Are you suggesting that it is in fact, just a parable?
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