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musicman:
I will answer it from a churchaholic's point of view.

We have a free will.  God does not force us to do anything.  You lie!!!  You're a lier.  We were not made without choices.  You're a lying lier who tells lots of lies!!  There needs to be a hell!!  You are a lying liability who doesn't believe that god must punish lying sinners.  You think they get off scott free?  We are not robots!!  We must be in control of our own destiny!!  I chose to be born and to worship Christ.  And to think the way I think.  And to look the way I look.  And to smell the way I smell.  And. . . .and.. . . .uuuummmmm. . . . lier lier pants on fire!!  In hell!! You lier!! 

AK4:
Musicman LOL  :D that is pretty much how they be.

Samson and Kat,

I agree.  I talk/type back to them for two reasons--- to strengthen/expand my knowledge of scripture and to maybe get people to question some of the things that is this life and not to accept everything they hear/read.  Oh, i cant deny, the added bonus of maybe planting a seed. :)

Ive have and is still learning a lot though from doing this. Most of all i am learning that just discussing/debating people can become an idol of the heart, it can become a form of boasting when you think you know more than someone else. Ive learned some of the grounds people are coming from and where i used to be--from what they were taught about God and the Word, and that it really is pointless (at least at face value) of talking with people who dont/cant see the Word spiritually. 

I didnt understand the Paul/Peter thing that Ray wrote about until i read some of the arguements this one person had about Paul (of course i had to defend Paul), and the thread here about teaching helped, because some people God has no allowed to see yet.

Its a learning experience and some of us have to learn by experiencing it, not just someone else telling us.  Fortunetly/unfortunely thats me and others.

In Jesus, 

Anthony

ps thanks for the positive reinforcement

winner08:
AK4 I have to watch myself with my ego. Sometimes I get to thinking I know certain things about certain subjects. I really don't. Some will ask me about things and I state what I think is right and I tell them this is just my opinion on this matter. I could be wrong. Sometimes If I think they are really interested I will tell them about Ray's teachings and where to find the site at.

Darren

PS did that make any since?

AK4:

--- Quote from: winner08 on September 10, 2008, 11:30:03 PM ---AK4 I have to watch myself with my ego. Sometimes I get to thinking I know certain things about certain subjects. I really don't. Some will ask me about things and I state what I think is right and I tell them this is just my opinion on this matter. I could be wrong. Sometimes If I think they are really interested I will tell them about Ray's teachings and where to find the site at.

Darren

PS did that make any since?

--- End quote ---

Totally, thats what i think God keeps reminding me whenever i talk to someone about what we know here.  Its like God reminds me of that paper that Ray wrote saying something about ---anyone of us could have been hitler or someone and we should be thankful and careful (paraphrasing)

I have directed maybe two or three people to BT because they actually seemed like they wanted to know the Truth, but if someone isnt like that i wont direct them there

Anthony

legoman:

--- Quote from: musicman on September 10, 2008, 09:52:02 PM ---I will answer it from a churchaholic's point of view.

We have a free will.  God does not force us to do anything.  You lie!!!  You're a lier.  We were not made without choices.  You're a lying lier who tells lots of lies!!  There needs to be a hell!!  You are a lying liability who doesn't believe that god must punish lying sinners.  You think they get off scott free?  We are not robots!!  We must be in control of our own destiny!!  I chose to be born and to worship Christ.  And to think the way I think.  And to look the way I look.  And to smell the way I smell.  And. . . .and.. . . .uuuummmmm. . . . lier lier pants on fire!!  In hell!! You lier!! 

--- End quote ---

LOL thanks musicman - this made my day.

AK4 I hope your discussions are going better than mine.  The free will thing is really tough for some people.  Some people just aren't willing to believe we cannot have free will.

I'm trying to explain that God is in control of everything, then they say that means God is in control of all murders, therefore God is a murderer and breaks his own commandmants, so that doesn't make sense to them.

How do I respond to that?  I know Ray has covered it in his emails and papers, but it is tough to cover it in as much depth as Ray has.

Cheers,
Kevin

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