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dredroc:
No, but i had doubts for years about eternal torture in hell

dewey:
Hi, Marques

That was an awfully good post and you backed it up with 2 scriptures and they were from the double edged sword.  You did good.  I had the same feelings that you had of the scriptures you posted when I read them.  Don't ask; I don't know why.  I know how but not why.  there is one more scripture that I would like to add that it will take some reading to even get a little bit out of it; but with meditation one can see there is more to this scripture than what meets the eye; and I believe it pertains to this subject "Does anyone have doubts?"  This is what came to me when I read all of them.  There were a number of members who posted some awesomely good posts.  Some even with scripture; but all posts were from the heart.  I love you guys.

I have one more scripture and here it is:  COL 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regards to a religious festival, a new moon celebration or a sabbath day. 

Love y'ans

Dewey & Paula said it

Goin' out on a limb for Jesus 'cause that's where the fruit's at

pylady:
Hi Ricky,

I wanted to add my two cents worth to this discussion because this is something that I've been marveling about lately.  You asked "How is it possible to HONESTLY love God from the heart without free will?  How can I?  The answer is we can't.  Neither you nor I, nor anyone can love God on our own with or without free will.

1Cor 2:14  For the natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised."

The carnal natural man simply cannot know or understand the spiritual.  I've asked myself what proof do I really have that God exists.  I cannot see Him, I cannot see a picture of Him, I cant email Him, or call Him on the phone.  And I know noone else can either.  All of my physical senses and experiences fail me when it comes to knowing God!  What proof do I really have that the Scriptures are from Him.  I don't know anyone who saw Jesus when He walked the earth, or saw Him resurrected. 

Some would say believing in God is just a step above believing in Santa Claus or the easter bunny.  What solid proof do I have to give them?  I can't hand them a picture of Him or give them His address.  Some would say it's just imagination - something that only exists in our minds, but not in reality. 

But I know with my whole heart and mind and every fiber of my being that He exists.  Why?  I can't really explain it rationally!

At night I go into my bedroom to study and pray.  My Father is in that room with me teaching me, listening to my prayer.  Just as real as my husband who is watching tv on the other side of that door.  My husband says he doesn't know if there is a god, but probably not.  And he really has no interest in talking about it or thinking about it.  He's just not interested.

Why do I know, feel, experience God's presence while my husband knows, feels, experiences nothing?  There is nothing in me that makes me different from him.  Why do I pray to Someone I cannot see, why do I spend endless hours studying to learn more about Someone I cannot prove exists?  Why do I love with a passion Someone who's eyes I cannot look into, who I cannot embrace?  There is only one answer.  God wills this for me at this time.  And He has made His will my will.

So how can I HONESTLY love God from the heart without free will?  It is God's spirit living in me, making His will my will.

Of course, some would say there is another explanation - maybe I'm just crazy  ::) :P ;D

Just some thoughts I've been meditating on.

Peace to you.

             Cindy

Ricky:
Hello Cindy,    Thankyou, you have the best answer so far to the question.  Dave in Tenn,  You as well have helped, Thankyou. I can now see how this form works with the people who can break down what Ray says and explain it in ways that stupid ex- truck drivers like me can understand a little better. There are only certain people here that I read everything they say, PHIL 3:10 you sir are one of them. Thankyou all     Ricky

Robin:
I inherit the carnal mind through Adam.
My carnal mind cannot please God.
My carnal mind desires to sin.
I can only choose from my desires and only God can change my desires.
The circumstances of my life cause the way I desire to sin. Ray says that in the right circumstance we would all be child molesters. If our circumstances are different we may desire to lie instead or drink or use drugs or be sexually immoral or self righteous etc..
The truth shows me that I am the beast.
God's discipline and chastening cause me to repent and I learn righteousness.
God's love and forgiveness when I can't even look at myself due to my sin causes me to desire to love him and obey his will.

He causes me to put off the old man with his deeds and put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created me.

For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son.

The process continues until I desire to love the LORD my God with all my heart and with all my soul and with all my strength and love my neighbor as myself.

He must increase, but I must decrease.

It is all caused by God.

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