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WELL WISHING AND KIND WORDS – NO! RAY NEEDS SOLID PROVISION!!
dewey:
About 2 mo ago i was watching tv , paula white came on and she had this blond long haired preacher preach on her behalf. He was the best beggar that i had heard in a long time ,I belive his name was murry or murphy , im not sure. But he put on quite a show. He used the same scriptures that paul p uses to make people feel obligated to send money, I know of some people that dont have a bucket to p--- in or a window to throw it out of . Yet now because of my introducing them to BT.COM , at least one of these people feels so commanded to give, because of the scriptures used that she [80something years young] has nothing to send , and she wept.
I thought Dennis Vogel did agood job when he asked and gave the address to where a gift could be sent . That in my opion was good .
Love yuans dewey
WhoAmI:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on September 16, 2008, 01:46:26 PM ---I don't know Paul P.
But it is not my intention to cause strife with a man who clearly cares for Ray.
I was merely adding a P.S. concerning giving. I made no comment!
I have been studying this Scripture for the last few Days. So it was very heavy inside me.
If I came off prideful I ask your forgiveness.
Ray needs all the support he can, and I extend a warm welcome to any man who joins all of us here in our affection for Ray.
Brenda
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Your post was fine. Your right, you made no comment. The conflict is only in the carnal mind. So you quoting what you did was in perfect harmony with the other scriptures quoted. When I read your scriptures you quoted I was reminded to keep the business of helping others quiet and not to boast of what YOU/WE/ME have done.
Jeff
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tebza4jesus:
--- Quote from: Paul P on September 16, 2008, 09:13:53 AM ---We are all too often pleased to SPEAK right things – but much less willing to DO right things.
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Speak RIGHT things? Do RIGHT things?
I shudder eveytime I hear anyone using that word, RIGHT, for I wonder, What does that mean? I mean is it not true that what is right to you may not be right to me? Does not the true meaning of the word RIGHT only have a definite meaning when we know what the LORD wants/will/expects?
I believe Paul P send this post out of LOVE for Brother Ray (yes, Brother Ray from the same household I claim to be part of), but could it not be that the LORD has laid this in Paul P's heart so that Paul P and maybe Paul P alone, may do something about it without including others in it?
Giving is a good thing, for if done from the heart, it reveals LOVE (no doubt about that) FOR GOD SO LOVED... THAT HE GAVE...But I ask, shouldn't this giving be laid in my heart by God Himself? Will it be RIGHT before God's eyes if I give simply because everybody else around me is giving, or because I am trying to prove that indeed I am part of this household or because I am trying so desperately to show my LOVE to Brother Ray or maybe even worse, give simply because I feel guilty after reading Paul P's post? Will the LORD be impressed by the ACTION without considering the MOTIVE?
Right? What is RIGHT in my case? Giving to my Brother Ray, whom I love and am grateful for all I learnt, not from him, but from God through him, or give to the person whom the LORD has laid in my heart? What is RIGHT?
King David once thought of doing something he thought was right (building the TEMPLE), but was he right? NO, for it was not God's will that the temple be build by David but rather his son, Solomon.
I suggest (in fact, I command out of love) that every single person whom the LORD is leading to contribute financially to Brother Ray, should do likewise; that those whom the LORD has put in their heart to pray, well-wish or whatever else the LORD has laid in their heart to do for Brother Ray, should also all do the same.
Let each give according to what he/she has received from the LORD for afterall, we can only give that which we have been given. And yes, let not your right hand know what your left hand is up to.
--- Quote ---I am first in – a friend of mine is second. How many will join us?
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Did I need to know? If I am the right hand, did I need to know what my left hand is doing, somewhere out there?
Paul P, is good that you are giving to Brother Ray (being the first in) and I am also glad that your friend is second (provided his/her reasons are TRUE); and I am sure you are doing it out of love, for if not, then you have already received your reward.
But, I suggest, put no pressure, whatsoever, upon anyone to follow suit, but let everyone's giving be from the heart, led by God Himself.
With love,
Tebogo
Heidi:
Falconn003, thank you for your post. God has blessed you with wisdom....same to you tebza4jesus.
Love
Heidi
Paul P:
Hello all,
I wanted to add to my post some ways in which contributions could be sent.
However, I had slightly exceeded the maximum post-size (surprise! surprise!) and had already had to take out a word here-and-there in order to get back within the limit.
So, I an grateful to those who have pointed out a few ways in which contributions can be sent.
‘Dave in Tenn’ reminded us of Dennis Vogel’s original post (the initial prompt for me to write) which told us we could send a cheque to:
Ray Smith, 5052 Government Blvd, Mobile, AL, 36693.
'Sansmile' asked if there was a Paypal account we can send to. Good question! I am in Europe and so sending cheques would be slow and could present difficulties. Paypal is quick and easy. The account to send contributions to is: support@bible-truths.com
'Gmik' pointed out another couple of ways: Giving at the conference (although that cannot be done monthly) and sending a private message through to the moderators.
'EKnight' suggested a very efficient method: an automatic transfer each month on a set day through her bill pay account at the bank. I particularly like that because it is automatic and you don’t have to remember to do it every month!
This all reminded me of another method (which I have used for other things in the past). The ‘Western Union’ money transfer system. You would likely find that your local Post Office, general store, gas station etc might be an agent (they will have a big yellow sticker in the window). They seem to be everywhere! You take the money you want to send, give them your details and those of the recipient. The recipient can pick up the money at a local Western Union within 20 minutes! However, they do charge……you should ask in advance what your transaction would cost.
I would like to make the point that my post was not directed exclusively to members of the forum. If anything, I suppose it was directed more so at others. I know that there are a good many people that regularly visit the BT forum without ever registering or posting.
That is why I made several mentions of the thousands that have been helped by visiting bible-truths as well as the thousands of emails sent to Ray over the years. Relatively few of these are forum members. There are not thousands and thousands of BT forum members.
Because those thousands do not register and contribute does not mean they do not visit and read! I myself have been reading everything in the ‘emails to Ray’ section for the last 3-4 years and ‘dip-in’ to other sections periodically.
Also, I seem to have put some under the impression that I advocate contributors should proclaim their giving from the rooftops. I am sorry if I somehow gave that idea – it was not meant!
Believe me, I am acutely aware that scripture teaches that God commends and rewards those good deeds (not just giving) which are done in secret (ie kept secret between Him and us) - in other words, that we are not to 'boast' of good works done in His name.
I am guessing here, but I can only assume that I might have given that impression because I wound up my post by saying “I am first in – a friend of mine is second. How many will join us?”
This was only said in the hope that it might be a means of instilling momentum straight off the back of the post.
I was certainly not proposing that some sort of list be made of who is contributing; and how much!
I would also like to make it clear that I was neither boasting nor shouting from the rooftops of any ‘good’ deed I might have done or be about to do.
On the first point, there is nothing to boast of, because it is God that moves us to any good works.
On the second point, surely I was giving away no secret by saying ‘I am first in’.
I think you would all agree, it would be a very odd thing indeed if I were to write such a long, precise and direct exhortation to contribute whilst not doing so myself!!!!!!
Now that really would be the mother of all hypocrisy!
So you see, there has been no boasting and no shouting from the rooftops on my part and I am certanly not encouraing anybody else to do so.
I MAILED MY POST. MAYBE GOD USED ME?
We know that God does use men to carry out his purposes.
Once, He even conveyed a message by making a mule speak!
If He can convey a message through a mule, maybe.....just maybe....He could even convey one through me??
IF MY POST SPOKE TO YOU - GREAT!
IF IT DIDN'T - JUST IGNORE IT!
Either way, please don’t bother to endlessly analyse it!
That only serves to weaken and distract from the message.
I did what I believe I was led of God to do and that is the end of it.
I SUGGEST THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY HESITANCY WHATSOEVER ABOUT CONTRIBUTING, DON'T GRUMBLE AND SEARCH FOR FAULT, JUST DON'T CONTRIBUTE!
If a person gives grudgingly, it is a stench in God’s nostrils.
Give from the heart or don’t give at all.
No further discussion or analysis needed!
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
(2 Corinthians 9:7)
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