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How should I view Pro 24:16 ?

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AK4:
Yes Ray wrote on this somewhere.

Fallen seven times is a complete fall.  The number 7 represents complete.  He has fallen seven times and now IMO he will not fall anymore and has learned his lesson and now knows what is expected of him from God.

That last part was speculative, but i do know that the fallen 7 times is a complete fall. 

As for the rest of that verse IMO i think it may be saying that the wicked do not learn from a calamity or a fiery trial, unlike the other man it took him seven falls to learn his lesson

Ray did put this in one of his papers, and i am just trying to go off memory

Richard D:
I feel or believe and understand our father is talking to us and not to the world in general. This proverb is talking, I believe to us, His children. For the Bible was written for the elect and we being the elect view the shadow to understand the spiritual comparing spiritual with spiritual to understand the things of the spirit.


So in other words I’m not seeing two entities but rather one entity who is a believer who has the righteous of Christ but is still carnally minded and through much calamity or tribulation and suffering is being formed into the image of Christ.

Robin:
Here it is.

http://bible-truths.com/lake13.html

ALL FALL AWAY

I showed numerous times that all: leave their first love, forsake Jesus, look back, blaspheme, build a spiritual house upon the sand, etc.

It is when John is standing on the sand of the sea that he first sees the wild beast come up out of the sea. Now the questions become: "WHEN did John stand upon the sand in HIS life? WHEN do we stand upon the sand in OUR lives?

Answer: When the spiritual house that we all build falls down with a ‘GREAT FALL.’ When (notice I did not say, ‘IF’)…when our spiritual house built upon the spiritual sand falls, WE ARE LEFT STANDING ON THE SAND OF THE SEA. We are only INCHES above the very sea itself—the masses and multitudes of humanity who do not have any knowledge of God AT ALL. It doesn’t mean that we have no knowledge of God at all at this quandary in our spiritual lives; it just means that we are no closer to God than all the humanity in the sea. Hence, we are not IN the sea, but rather standing on the SAND of the sea where out spiritual house just FELL!

And since God is not only calling some of us but choosing us also, God begins to teach us anew. And the first thing He begins to show us is the WILD BEAST coming up out of the sea that is the CAUSE of our being overcome and the CAUSE of our spiritual house falling! This wild beast will be reckoned with by all humanity sooner or later.

THERE MUST COME A ‘FALLING AWAY’ FIRST

I have shown you that John, Paul, Peter, ALL of the apostles, the whole church in Asia, the Seven Churches of Revelation, the entire flock of God’s called, all built their houses upon spiritual sand—in other words EVERYONE ever called by God, falls, falls down, falls away.

The Proverb tells us that, "For a just man falls seven times…" That’s a COMPLETE fall. But strange as it may seem, this is necessary in God’s plan. What happens to a just man after he falls seven times? "…and RISES UP AGAIN" (Prov. 24:16). When he completely falls, he falls from grace. But for those whom God is both calling AND choosing, they will RISE UP AGAIN, for

"Who are you that judges another man’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Yes, he shall be holden up [made to stand up]: for God is able to MAKE HIM STAND" (Rom. 14:4).

We will ALL FALL! But afterwards, God "raises us UP AGAIN," and "makes us STAND." And from that time onward we have this sure promise of which we read before, but I want to read again:

"Now unto Him that is able to KEEP YOU FROM FALLING, and to present you FAULTLESS before the presence of His glory with EXCEEDING JOY, To the Only Wise God Our Saviour, be glory and majesty, and dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen" (Jude 124-25)!

When John’s spiritual house built upon the sand fell down, he was left, standing on the sand of the sea by himself alone with God, and it is then and only then, that he is able to see the wild beast that came up out of the sea.

This wild beast is further identified in Rev. 13:14 when we are told this

"…beast, which had the wound [deadly wound, Ver. 3] by the sword, and DID LIVE."

He was wounded to death, but the wound was healed and he again lived. He also has a mark, and a name, and a number. What is this mysterious number that has baffled scholars, theologians, and saints for centuries? I will not give you the complete answer to this at this time, but will only show you that it is the number of mankind—humanity.

Richard D:
Thanks MG, That answers my question without any doubts at all, I appreciate you taking the time to help me with my understanding. I was out in left field on this one. I also thank all who posted to this thread as well.


P.S….Never trust a newbie with the word of God…..LOL  ;D


                                     In His Love. Richard.

AK4:
I knew i read it somewhere.  Thanks MG :D

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