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Toss away all the traditions.
chuckt:
--- Quote ---It is UP TO EACH of us to "WORK* OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR and TEMBLING"
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hi there, how are you?
people still proof text this verse? what about the reason WHY we do this?
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Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
the interpretations indeed vary on what ""work"" here means, and by no means do i deny active participation.
i recently got to close to my boundry and God yanked the rug out from under me, quite humbling indeed. :P
yes may we all not forget WHY we fear and tremble.
--- Quote ---Meaning: to work fully, that is, accomplish; by implication to finish, fashion: - cause, do (deed), perform, work (out).
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Hbr 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Phl 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:
God bless
chuckt
digitalwise:
--- Quote ---Phl 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of [his] good pleasure.
the interpretations indeed vary on what ""work"" here means, and by no means do i deny active participation.
i recently got to close to my boundry and God yanked the rug out from under me, quite humbling indeed.
yes may we all not forget WHY we fear and tremble.
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Work here for me means the knowledge and spiritual insights like the foundational truths of Ray.
You see we HAVE TO WORK OUT at OUR salvation.
God does NOT save anyone [in this life] in a vaccum. Having corrective teaching on what salvation is and being a child of the most high God are BASED on that corrective teaching.
So... we work it out or RATHER a truer word - FUNCTION out YOUR personal salvation. Despite what you want to call WORK OUT our salvation it is predicated on correct understanding of the scriptures.
I'd like to say also - LET NO man JUDGE your salvation [found in Christ alone by HIS grace].
Abasement to get salvation is not a process to have and hold salvation - but the process [even abasement] is there for your own understanding to work it OUT based on scripture and correct understanding - God has already done all for you by sending His Son as the divine subsitute for your sins already. For God so LOVED the WORLD - that He gave His only begotten Son - so that the WORLD might be saved.
The teachings of RAY holds one to a hope of Salvation [for you and ALL] NOT found in traditional teachings of the churches in general.
digitaladvisor
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: digitalwise on October 01, 2008, 09:19:05 PM ---God has already done all for you by sending His Son as the divine subsitute for your sins already. For God so LOVED the WORLD - that He gave His only begotten Son - so that the WORLD might be saved.
The teachings of RAY holds one to a hope of Salvation [for you and ALL] NOT found in traditional teachings of the churches in general.
digitaladvisor
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Hello Digitaladvisor,
Here is an excerpt from Ray's paper 'You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!':
HOWEVER, paying the penalty for sin does NOT take the sin out of the sinner, it only pays the penalty. JUDGMENT is what takes the sin out of the sinner, and:
"For the time is come that judgment must begin at the HOUSE OF GOD…" (I Pet. 4:17).
And contrary to orthodox Christianity, there are two great periods of judgment. The first is with ‘the House of God,’ and the second is in the final judgment of the rest of humanity in the Great White Throne Judgment. Here are the options according to Paul:
"For if we would [1] judge ourselves, we should not [2] be judged. But when we are [1] judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not [2] be condemned [judged adversely] with the world [in the Great White Throne judgment]" (I Cor. 11:31-32).
Both judgments will bring salvation, but the latter is far more severe.
Christ is to judge the quick and the dead which he did not start in his earthly ministry. The Great White Throne Judgement is the means in which most of humanity will be saved.
From Saved by Grace Thru Faith bible study:
Jesus didn’t need grace for any pardon of anything. But did He need the influence of God, divine influence on His heart? Absolutely. That’s why He could live the way He did, accomplish what He did, never give in to wrong motives and temptations and all that. He had this divine influence of God on His heart ALL THE TIME.
So then we read Paul says, “But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace (divine influence upon the heart) which was bestowed upon me was not found vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all: yet not I….” (1 Cor 15:10)
“Yet not I” what? He said I labored, you know what that means, work. I’ve ‘worked’ harder than all of them, yet it wasn’t I that works, right. Notice it wasn’t I that was doing the work, but the grace of God which was with me. The grace of God, what? These things are all understood, notice it, I am what I am by His divine influence upon my heart, which He bestowed upon me and it was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all labored: yet not I labored, but the grace of God labored. That’s what it’s saying, can you see that? So what is the grace of God doing in Paul’s heart? It LABORS, it works.
It’s not some ‘thing’ like, ‘well I have the grace of God, that save me.’ They take that word and just tack it on the wall, ‘grace’ there it is, I got it, God said I got to have it and there it is ‘grace.’ It can’t be in a book, it can’t be on the wall, it’s got to be IN YOUR HEART. What does it do there? IT LABORS - IT WORKS.
Now let me read that again.
1 Cor 15: 10 “But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace (divine influence on the heart) which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all (labored): yet not I (labored), but the grace of God (labored) which was with me (labored).”
There it is, the grace of God….labors.
In the Lake of Fire series I showed that grace is a verb. We learn that when we are judged we are chastened of the Lord, 1 Cor 11: 32. Chastening defines how God judges us. Now we are about to learn something very profound here, if we can get it.
Titus 2:11 “For the grace of God that brings salvation hath appeared to all men,
v. 12 Teaching us….”
What is doing the teaching? Grace is doing the teaching. It’s laboring - it’s teachings - it’s the divine influence of God on our heart, it‘s teaching us. So it’s (verse 12), “TEACHING us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world (eon - age);”
So when it says God judges us by chastening us in 1 Cor. 11: 32, the word chasten there is the Greek word ‘paideuō.‘ Then when God says He graces us, by ‘teaching us’ in Titus 2:12, the word teaching is the same word paideuo and it means - to labor, to work, to chasten, to punish, to teach, to educate. There is like a dozen different words that this means, this ‘teaching.’ That’s what it does, it actually does something. And the same way what it does for us, it will eventually do for the world.
That is why it is with fear and trembling...because it's all of God. We are HIS workmanship [Eph 2:10]
Hope this helps,
Marques
digitalwise:
Hi Marques
Referenced very well!
Thanks
digitaladvisor
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