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What should i say?
lilitalienboi16:
Let me start by explaining my situation.
I go down to mainstreet alot, the Peer at Huntington beach and i walk around and see all these Christian people walking to people and saying "Are you saved" etc... They start by "let me test you, if you pass this test and end up a good person then you get 20$ if you don't, then you fail and don't get the money" They continue with "Have you ever told a lie" offcourse we know what people are gonna say, they are gonna say "Yes i have" to which the questioner responds "then that makes you a lier," they continue this game with about 4 or 5 questions based on the 10 commandments. THey then say, if you stood before God and He judged you on His commandments (laws the 10 they are refering too) would you be innocent, or guilty? TO which the person logicaly responds "guilty." Proceeding passed this they go, and you know the story, "With Jesus Christ you are forgiven all your sins where put on Him etc etc..." They then condem them to hell if they do not have Christ on there side.
I don't have a problem with this little game they play, what i have a problem with is that, Isn't God gonna Judge the World by Christ Jesus and not by the "10 commandments?" Didn't paul say the letter kills, so why would God judge us on what has already been fullfilled in Christ, and yes i don't like them scaring into people believing but I am not prepared to address this blasphemy yet, key word being YET ;) When God wills hehe.
I guess the question is, How IS God gonna judge us? Through Christ Jesus - Grace and Faith, or through the Letter - The Old covenent?
P.S. Yes im well aware teh Old covenent is done away with, im only asking because i don't know how to respond to these people who say God will judge us based on the Old laws. Some insight would be greatly appreciated.
God bless,
Alex
ertsky:
--- Quote ---then you fail and don't get the money
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:lol: classic Alex, you have the true jewish humour brother
that line cracked me up
i don't know if i have any useful insight, and there are so many ways to give the One answer to that question
we are more concerned with the present judgment, ie. judgment has already begun on the house of God
but heres a few verses i remembered
Jam 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jam 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
if i may
Jud 1:21 Yourselves, in God’s love, keep,—awaiting the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ, unto age-abiding life.
Jud 1:22 And, on some, indeed, have mercy,—such as are in doubt, be saving, out of the fire, snatching them;
Jud 1:23 But, on others, have mercy with fear, hating even, the garment, spotted by the flesh.
Jud 1:24 Now, unto him who is able—to guard you from stumbling, and to set you in the presence of his glory, without blemish, with exultation,—
Jud 1:25 Unto God alone our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, greatness, dominion, and authority, before all the by-gone age, and now, and unto all the coming ages. Amen!
God bless you Alex
especially down at the peer, where it sounds pretty irritating, maybe the next time someone offers you the test you can say, yes if you submit to my test first, if they say yes, throw them in the water and see if they get angry LOL!
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SteveB:
--- Quote ---let me test you, if you pass this test and end up a good person then you get 20$ if you don't, then you fail and don't get the money"
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Thats cheesed they should at least let you keep the $. They'd be planting a seed... :lol:
--- Quote ---P.S. Yes im well aware teh Old covenent is done away with, im only asking because i don't know how to respond to these people who say God will judge us based on the Old laws. Some insight would be greatly appreciated.
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Read them the book of Galations:) For real, just tell them the letter kills and the spirit gives life. The 5th chapter of matt. is a good place to learn the difference between the old and new. Show them the verse about moses saying that God was going to send anotherand do away with the law that he was given.
Heres a good place to start.
http://www.*not-allowed*.com/freefromlaw.php
gmik:
Good scriptures guys.
I wouldn't say anything to these people, not unless they ask you. Maybe some of those who failed wouldn't mind hearing that actually they will pass.
lilitalienboi16:
Alright thanks alot Guys, ill definatly read that article when i have time, it seems very lengthy so gonna have to tackle it with time by my side :)
So If they state next time that God will Judge you on His ten Commandments, i should say that GOd Judges so we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world, and that we will not be Judged by the Letter that kills but judged by the law of liberty that is found in Jesus Christ.
Would this be a descent start to an answer?
You know what really gets to me is that they make this ERRONEOUS assertion that the LAKE OF FIRE (After you say you are guilty they say ALL LIERS get thrown in there - to the point where they seem to think that there is somehow an exception to ALL liers) IS HELL!!!! Despite themselves stating "THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH."
The guy was sitting there preaching and He said that, and i raised my hand to which he called upon me and i said, "Doesn't the bible say the LAKE OF FIRE IS THE SECOND DEATH?" To which he responded, "yes it does." I continued with, "Then where do you get this belief that God is gonna torture innocent people who have never heard of Him in there?" He then said, "Are you a jehovah's witness?" and i said, "Nope." and he just ignored my questioned and continued on with this preaching which i felt terrrible about because i was powerless to say anything against him due to my lack of knoweldge in the truth, but seeing the disbalief in these people and knowing exactly what there thinking. "How can the Christians say there GOd is loving when He is gonna torture most of the worlds population in a terrorist hell hole." There were about 3 kids my age standing next to me and they said "Were athiests, what about you?" I said "i was a firm believer however i strongly disagreed with what this man had to say, and that His tactic into scaring people to believe was terrible mistaken." They agreed, and made fun of the guy, and i just sat there listening to them, it was terrible to see so many people who don't believe :/
Just makes you feel bad :/ I wish the Lord would have spoke through me at that time to show this blasphemy which This man was speaking.. unfortunately the Lord did not feel it was my time or place to be doing such speaking so all i could do was watch in disbalief as He condemned people to an eternity in hell - Trying to scare them into believing in God... how truly sad.
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