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Does knowing the truth really matter?
aqrinc:
Richard,
Been there done that several times already, i never expressed it before to anyone. Knowing that we are nothing of ourselves is the beginning of knowledge, it gets harder until we let go and really let GOD. Check out Romans: c5. v1-21; (for patience use Endurance), i believe you will get it long before you reach v21. There is another scripture from Paul: Romans: c7 v15-25. Hope these help to clear up a bit of the turmoil in your mind right now.
In Spirit and Truth, George.
Amrhrasach:
Relax.
Give yourself time to absorb and think through was is being revealed to you. Give yourself time to specifically place these truths into your life where they will provide you with a greater understanding of your own self and as you relate to the world around you, and to God.
There is no such thing as a quantum leap with the wealth of information you have been exposed to.
The more you try to present these truths to someone who is not of the same understanding as you, the more potential confusion you may conjure to yourself in your walk, and the more questions you present to yourself of what is real, truthful, worthy and necessary.
And it's all real, truthful, worthy and necessary.
JeffH:
Richard,
I think we've all been going through the same thing you are. I've been reading Ray's writings for 6 years and I still don't know what my purpose is (other than what's obvious). I have changed though and my outlook on life is very different - very much for the better - but it took time. I'm a slow learner and whatever I grasp comes in bits and pieces. I'm no longer fearful of this life that often really *****, as you put it. :)
I saw a man at a store yesterday. He was very short and his limbs were twisted and he needed crutches to move around and I immediately asked God to forgive me for complaining about the things I experience in this life. I understand that whatever I have, good or bad (from my perspective), is solely because God has chosen it for me and because of that it's all good.
Learning the truth is important because God is showing it to you. If He weren't then you wouldn't be here or asking the questions you are. It's ok to wonder about what's going on. None of us really knows. We're just like you asking, "God, why are you showing me these things? How do you want me to use this? What purpose is there in knowing this?". I think one thing is true, that there's a purpose. It's not for nothing and it's important. It may be that in time these questions will be answered, but until then, patience and endurance are important. Continue to read and keep asking questions. Ask God daily to show you what He wants you to see and thank Him for it.
I asked Ray once, very early on, "How can it be that I know things that Billy Graham doesn't know?!!!" His reply was "How do you think we feel?!"
Something is happening. Things are moving at a faster pace every day and God is always working in us and through us, even if we don't see it.
Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."
Some things I've recently realized:
1) There are very few people I can talk to about the things I'm learning (which is why I'm here talking to you :))
2) Some people still need to teach these things as Ray has been doing for us, so telling people is a good thing, but we have to be conscious of the fact that many (most) will reject it only for the truth that God hasn't prepared them to understand. You may tell people who aren't ready and God may lead you to people who are, but for that to happen you have to know what needs to be said. Ray could have said "Nobody believes me, so why would I tell them?". But people are believing him. Not many, but the number is growing. Thank God for Ray.
We all may be in "learn mode" right now, that will lead to the next step in our journey. God may have a very different purpose for each of us, but we're all connected by the Truth.
One thing to do is to reject the idea that you're a puppet. Nothing could be further from the truth. Think Parent/child instead. We control what our children do for their own good. We decide what our 5 year old will and won't do because it's necessary. We don't sit back and think "Man, am I in control or what!!!"
...We are teaching our children how to become like us...
Jeff :)
indianabob:
--- Quote from: Richard D on September 22, 2008, 08:57:59 AM ---Maybe I’m confused but does knowing the truth really matter? If one believes there is a place of torment when that one dies does he or she not discovers the goodness of God?
I learned from Ray’s papers that I’m the beast so what do I do with that knowledge? If I try on my own to put the beast down is this not of my own doing and not of Christ? And if not of Christ is it not in vain? But whatever I do is it’s not of Christ anyways?
After reading Rays papers on free will I honestly believe I only have a will but not free. I can see that very clear. God causes me to choose the only action possible for me at each moment of my life. Do I have any say in anything I do?
I’ am programmed from the beginning whenever the beginning was. It’s like I’m a robot but I don’t feel like a robot and of greater value too. I’m going to be and do what ever God declares I will be or do.
I will receive a certain amount of light whether I want it or not. I will be whatever whether I want it or not, I will do whatever I will do whether I want to do it or not. It doesn’t matter what I want I have no say do I?
Before I came across Rays papers I ask God if he would do me a favor and I asked that when I die just let me stay dead I really don’t want life I think it blank blank blanks
Now after reading Rays papers I think of death as heaven you know, there is no pain there, no suffering there no tears there no hunger there no work there no disturbances there only peace. In some ways I wouldn’t mind not going on forever. I don’t know if God will still grant me my wish seeing where it’s of God not me.
To me God is the greatest being in the universe but I don’t know what to do with him, he’s beyond my scope no doubt. I enjoy all these truths I’m learning from Rays papers and on this forum but I’m thinking also does truth really matter. It is what it is and I can not alter one aspect of my life, I don’t even know if I should even call it my life.
I’m just thinking with all this truth what good does it do me? If I talk to a person who God has not called he won’t listen or if too another who will listen it’s because God call that one. Either way I have nothing to do with it.
I know now why Jesus die for us and its because He God Jesus is responsible for every sin committed under heaven but we are accountable but in the end who am I to say to the potter why have you made me like this!
I had to vent, sorry, I hope you understand but if you don’t it’s because God kept it from you or if you do it’s because God gave it to you. Please don’t get me wrong I love God maybe I’m just in a funny mood today. All glory and power to God.
In His Love. Richard
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Richard D.
This is 'old' indiana bob. Many good forum responses to your question (s).
Please allow me to try something unconventional to see if it helps a little.
Richard wrote: "I’m just thinking with all this truth what good does it do me? If I talk to a person who God has not called he won’t listen or if too another who will listen it’s because God call that one. Either way I have nothing to do with it."
Bob writes:
The understanding that I have is as follows:
God has planned from the beginning to call everyone. We may be used in this task.
God began by laying a foundation for his overall plan by allowing or granting human kind the privilege of participating in the creation of new life (babies) with the potential to live forever.
God is now letting or will let each of us live on the earth long enough to learn that we need God in our lives, that we ARE NOT independent or self sufficient. Apart from God we are nothing.
Along the way, God is selecting certain individuals to act as teachers and managers of the renewed Eden that will exist here on the earth. "not many mighty, not many noble, but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise" I Cor 1:26, for we see very ordinary folks being selected for this purpose.
God has provided a unique, chief leader/teacher in Jesus, our Lord and our Elder brother.
God will also provide assistants for the Lord to carry out God's will on the earth by training a group of sinners that God has caused to believe, to serve as teachers during the "judgment period" when all living will be learning righteousness from Jesus and through the elect.
So, eventually we will be doing pretty much what you are wanting to do now, in this life, but it is not yet time, we are not fully prepared and would make mistakes that would not be best for the people that we wish to help.
So, why doesn't God allow us to decide who to approach and who to grant a place in His kingdom?
Because we don't have that authority and are not ready. We are eager and in some cases perhaps we are willing to give our lives for the cause of Christ, but that is human, carnal flesh talking. We don't know nearly enough to make such serious decisions. Jesus the Christ alone has that authority.
One of the major things we need to learn, one of the main purposes of this process, is to teach us patience and long suffering and pure love toward our fellow citizens in the future Kingdom of God.
We, you and me and all the other friends we have made on the forum are really just babes in Christ.
We see that we are learning so much so fast and have learned more about God's purpose in a short time than we had learned before in our entire life. AND yet we are not ready to teach God's truth to those around us.
Even the exchanges we share on the forum MAY BE inspired and moderated by God's spirit. So, we need to be patient and very careful to allow God to set the pace of our sharing and of our taking advantage of opportunities to help or teach or correct others.
I imagine that you are going through the same struggle that most of us have experienced or will experience eventually. So, if possible and according to the understanding that God has given you, please just consider that you are like a first semester freshman high school student just like the rest of us and take the time to let this wonderful opportunity soak in before you frustrate yourself trying to be worthy of the opportunity. All of this will come in time and we all, I think, have felt or still feel just as mixed up as you say that you do.
Our God is a very patient, very loving and gracious being and God's son Jesus, the Lord of all, is a perfect example of how patient we must learn to be.
Please continue asking questions and sharing your concerns and please give yourself a year or so to become more familiar with what Christ's spirit is showing us all as he sends the "comforter" the holy spirit to guide us into all knowledge. In the meanwhile, rest in the comfort of knowing that in the fullness of time, all will be dealt with in Godly love and given what is best for their individual needs.
Warm regards, Indiana Bob
Kat:
Hi Richard,
John 5:30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
This is what we ultimately have to get to.
John 3:30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
The Elect are being prepared now to have the same mind as Christ. We are to be yeilding ourselves to Christ that He can live through us more and more, so that we will not give in to the lust of the flesh. This is a process that takes time to learn to heed the voice of the Spirit within.
1Peter 4:1-2 Therefore, since Christ suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves also with the same mind, for he who has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.
Rom 15:5-6 Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus, that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Col 3:2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
v. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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