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Richard D:
We the believers in God are being made in his image through the knowledge of good and evil here and now, this is my understanding from reading Ray’s papers. If I’m off track saying this, please correct me for my own good.

I believe the world in general is also benefiting from this knowledge of good and evil also but the fullness of their benefit will not take place till they emerge from the lake of fire.

I understand that the only possible action or chose I can take or make is that which is cause by God or God causes within me what he God pleases for the outcome of his will, working all things together for good.

Sin hurts my relationship with God and what I would like to do is deal with this subject so as to understand or connect the dots.

Do I or we or believers have but only one chose or has God given us two chose‘s ? I have heard believers in church when I use to go to church which I stop going say when I ask how one deal with sin they would reply, don’t sin or you must fight it.

These things they said to me were of no value to me as even I knew that much. I guess what I was really asking is how to perform in not sinning.

If I have a desire to do a certain thing and inwardly I say, well this is not good to do or God would not approve of this, has God given me or every believer two chose’s.

I always choose not to sin or prefer not to sin but as I make this chose not to sin I find the desire within me is multiplied with intensity or like a raging battle it always conquers me.

Is there a way out of my dilemma maybe a particular prayer I don’t know about or perhaps a formula I never heard of, there has to be something maybe special powers from God I’m unaware of that he gives to those who believe if they know the right words to say.

If not, then what does one do to overcome the intensity of the desire? Is there intensity for everyone or just me? How does one not become subdue? Or must I always be sin’s prey?

There just has to be at least one believer here with and answer to my dilemma! It’s better to be dead than to sin against God. Surly there is a way out of sins domain!

                                    A lowly servant in his love. Richard

Dave in Tenn:
There's a lot of question in there for an easy answer.   ;D

First off, there is no formula that will remove sin from you.  There may be practical wisdom which can help you stop or lessen harmful behaviors.  In the end though, you're left with the root cause of those behaviors.  It's even possible you can become a worse sinner by 'trying' to remove those behaviors. 

As for Prayer, consider the prayer of the Tax collector in Luke.

Luke 18:9  And he spake also unto certain who have been trusting in themselves that they were righteous, and have been despising the rest, this simile (parable):
10  `Two men went up to the temple to pray, the one a Pharisee, and the other a tax-gatherer; 11  the Pharisee having stood by himself, thus prayed: God, I thank Thee that I am not as the rest of men, rapacious, unrighteous, adulterers, or even as this tax-gatherer; 12  I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all things--as many as I possess.
13  `And the tax-gatherer, having stood afar off, would not even the eyes lift up to the heaven, but was smiting on his breast, saying, God be propitious (merciful) to me--the sinner! 14  I say to you, this one went down declared righteous, to his house, rather than that one: for every one who is exalting himself shall be humbled, and he who is humbling himself shall be exalted.'

Sin doesn't make become sinners.  Being sinners makes us sin.  It's our nature to be sinners and the expression of our nature to sin.  If you want to stop sinning, you're going to have to begin exchanging natures with Christ.  You are dying, He lives.  You become less, He becomes more.  And that doesn't happen overnight in all the secret compartments of our lives.  It'll take the rest of your life and won't be completed until He's done all that is necessary to make you conform to the image of Christ.  If you think you can do that, read the underlined prayer above again.

You've already discovered the best way to start, I trust.  Read, study, and prayerfully meditate on the very Words of God.  You'll find on the practical 'formulaic' side that this will give you less occasion to sin.  It will also begin to renew your mind and begin to put the mind of Christ in you.  It will also begin to give you Richard-exclusive encouragement, exhortation, wisdom, energy, defense, faith and anything else you need.

I hope that's of some value to you.









 

Imabeliever:
  I , for one, personally believe that this is something we all are going through! I constantly battle sin even more so since rededicating myself to God and His truths. If we are not sinning then the devil or the beast is not doing his job, so he concentrates on us even more. If he lets one slip away, he fails in his duty. He's not worried about who is sinning as much as he's worried about who is not or at least who's trying not to! Once a person makes the choice to turn away from worldly ways, that is when God begins conditioning the person spiritually. It is a constant spiritual battle, remember, we are God's children, and like any good father, He wants us to be the best we can be!  If you are to be one of God's chosen it will not be easy!  Everything that is happening to you is the way it should be! How you deal with this experience is what is important, that is how God teaches us ! I think of it like this; this life that God gave us is the ultimate school of hard knocks,and the best, most effective way of teaching us in a way that will stick with us, is the hard way! God scourges and tests the spirit of his chosen either in this life or in his consuming fire on the great judgment day!  But fear not, His will shall be done! And it is in his will, through Jesus that we will all be saved!  Anyway, I hope that sheds a little light on what your dealing with! I think its safe to say we are all going through this together> You are not alone! God Bless!! ;)

AK4:
Hi Richard,


--- Quote ---If I have a desire to do a certain thing and inwardly I say, well this is not good to do or God would not approve of this, has God given me or every believer two chose’s.

I always choose not to sin or prefer not to sin but as I make this chose not to sin I find the desire within me is multiplied with intensity or like a raging battle it always conquers me.
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Yes he has.  And now, with Him working in you, you are able to resist some sin, wherefore before you were powerless.  if you trust and believe God will get you through whatever it is you are going through, you will make it through.  you just got to be patient and trust and believe.


--- Quote ---Is there a way out of my dilemma maybe a particular prayer I don’t know about or perhaps a formula I never heard of, there has to be something maybe special powers from God I’m unaware of that he gives to those who believe if they know the right words to say
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No and yes.  No particular prayer or magic formula, but yes Let His will be done...

Mt 26:42 - Show Context
He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."

And as for powers IMO, its the power to actually believe.


--- Quote ---If not, then what does one do to overcome the intensity of the desire? Is there intensity for everyone or just me? How does one not become subdue? Or must I always be sin’s prey?

There just has to be at least one believer here with and answer to my dilemma! It’s better to be dead than to sin against God. Surly there is a way out of sins domain!
--- End quote ---


Embrace it and be thankful you were counted worthy to suffer for Christ.

Im still in this state hoping and believing that one day the Lord will deliever me!

In Jesus,

Anthony

Richard D:
Dave in tenn

Everything helps but sin plagues us all, I understand before I was in Christ I did what I did without thought. But as I draw near to Christ I see things I don’t believe are right in me.

It could be as simply as my thoughts rushing me at once in a way that stresses me so maybe to a family member I snap but then I catch myself and of course apologize even when I’m right and their wrong. I apologize because of how I might have handled that situation.

It’s the little things in me I see that trouble me. Like to be in public driving down the road and someone cuts me off and I might find myself having bad thoughts towards that person.

For instance I like it when and elderly person pulls out in front of me and I say to myself, you know this person is old and by the time their brain gets the message from their eyes your already there on them when they pull out and I have peace with that.

Or sometimes a person offends me and I don’t need and apologize from that one because I choose to forgive people but after I choose to forgive at some point in time I reflect and have bad thoughts towards that one.

I see my mind as the battle field and I say its here where all battles will be won or lost. I guess what I’m looking for is a way to be victorious in every thought. I see these thoughts as sin and that’s alright its in giving into them that’s not.

As I talk to other people and meditate on these things myself I feel or think in the day I die I will have sinned in that day also.

I suppose I should put this sin issue to rest, I’m a human being I was made spiritually weak I’m a sinner God die for me and he God will deal with me. As I die to myself everyday the less I’ll sin because Christ will become stronger in me.

Its funny, I hate seeing the bad things in me I wonder how much more God hates it.
The road we walk on in this life is not and easy road by any stretch of the imagination.

But I must conclude it’s the best road to walk on none the less.
I’m a blind man trying to follow a neon light in a world full of darkness.

Thank you once again. In His Love. Richard.

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