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WhoAmI:
I know of no man made church that gives the following:
Lu 11:3 our appointed bread be giving us daily;
Some might give you Pharisee bread on Sunday or even Wednesday. Even others might give you a Sadducee's meal on a tradition or another special day.
Mt 10:8 ...freely ye did receive, freely give.
Be it money, freedom etc..your going to pay the Pharisees toll.
Most churches do this:
Mt 23:14 `Wo to you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye eat up the houses of the widows, and for a pretence make long prayers, because of this ye shall receive more abundant judgment.
Lu 11:43 `Wo to you, the Pharisees, because ye love the first seats in the synagogues, and the salutations in the market-places
A lot of outward show goes on in the man made churches. A lot of religious pride and chest beating.
Mt 12:38 Then answered certain of the scribes and Pharisees, saying, `Teacher, we will to see a sign from thee.`
Mt 12:39 And he answering said to them, `A generation, evil and adulterous, doth seek a sign, and a sign shall not be given to it, except the sign of Jonah the prophet;
Many are always on the look out for the latest signs in the churches.
The man made churches will feed you this:
Mt 16:6 and Jesus said to them, `Beware, and take heed of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees;`
Mr 8:15 and he was charging them, saying, `Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod
Many types of leaven and all dangerous.
We trust in the mercy of God to feed us the only true bread...
Joh 6:34 They said, therefore, unto him, `Sir, always give us this bread.`
Joh 6:35 And Jesus said to them, `I am the bread of the life;
This is the bread we always need.
Jeff
Douglas Wayne Thomas:
Thank you to everyone that replied to my posts, there is some great information that was given to me. Also thank you everyone for not biting my head off for asking these questions. I did re-read the LoF series that people suggested. I just have one more point that I need clarified.
Notice that the "called" and the "chosen" cannot be the same group, as one is "many" and the other is "few."
I understand this statement, however these two groups are not mutually exclusive are they? Are not the chosen a subset of the called? How would one know they were chosen if they were not called first?
Maybe I am just reading this wrong, it would not be the first time I have read something wrong.
The way I view this is as a hierarchy. The higher levels are closer to God so to speak. The lower level with the most people is the called. The next level up with far fewer people are the chosen, however all of the chosen were drawn out of the pool of the called.
Am I viewing this correctly? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Seeking to do God's will always,
Douglas
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Douglas Wayne Thomas on September 28, 2008, 02:31:48 AM ---Thank you to everyone that replied to my posts, there is some great information that was given to me. Also thank you everyone for not biting my head off for asking these questions. I did re-read the LoF series that people suggested. I just have one more point that I need clarified.
Notice that the "called" and the "chosen" cannot be the same group, as one is "many" and the other is "few."
I understand this statement, however these two groups are not mutually exclusive are they? Are not the chosen a subset of the called? How would one know they were chosen if they were not called first?
Maybe I am just reading this wrong, it would not be the first time I have read something wrong.
The way I view this is as a hierarchy. The higher levels are closer to God so to speak. The lower level with the most people is the called. The next level up with far fewer people are the chosen, however all of the chosen were drawn out of the pool of the called.
Am I viewing this correctly? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Seeking to do God's will always,
Douglas
--- End quote ---
Hello Douglas,
Yes, the 'chosen' are chosen from the 'called'. You also have the 'chosen and faithful' [Rev. 17:14] which are of the 'chosen'.
Called= Called out of the world into the physical church
Chosen= Chosen out of the physical church (Babylon; 'come out of her my people' Rev.18:4) into the true, spiritual church
Chosen and Faithful= the chosen who '...overcometh and shall not be hurt of the 2nd death' [Rev. 2:11] '...on such the 2nd death have no power' [Rev 20:6]
If you've read posts where a member may have asked 'who are the chosen' or 'are you one of the chosen', usually most if not all answer they hope to be but do not know for sure. The reason why is because it takes a lifetime to achieve this high calling [...be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. Rev. 2:10] and also 'The Lord knoweth them that are his' [2 Tim 2:19]. Although this scripture does not say 'only' the Lord knows those that are his, reading through the epistles of Paul, Peter, etc., we do read of those who could be cast off so one can not be sure until the resurrection.
Hope this helps,
Marques
Douglas Wayne Thomas:
Marques - Yes that helps very much, I agree; one has to be faithful till the end, the road is indeed very narrow.
Thank you for your insights.
Sirach:
All our eyes were opened by God's grace. We all started in the mainstream churches before we learned God's truth's. Personally, i dont feel anymore need going to the building called church and listen to hell and free will doctrines..but..it is the place where God brought me first, to be fed with milk.
God brought me out spiritually, but i stay attached physically in a sort of way. I have a 14 year old daughter, and all her friends go to church...im in no way going to forbid her to go...i talk to her about the teachings...but it is God, and only God, that opens eyes and minds. From what i see, the church does a lot of good also, and i keep taking part of that as long as im wellcome...becos when people want to talk with me...i will keep pointing them on what i learned the last 5 months.
in Christ
Robin
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