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Any true Churches
mharrell08:
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--- Quote ---It's the cornerstone of BT and Ray's approach to teaching the Gospel to expose those who contradict and teach right doctrine. It's a solid scriptural approach. It doesn't matter whether the ones teaching what contradicts are willfully lying or not. It is the teachings themselves that stand in contradiction to the Truth.
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Then why are we calling those people liars? Who gave them the teachings? God? Indirectly, YES. Those people aren't lying, Satan is. They are supposed to believe the things they believe.
You and I and everyone else here are MUCH more accountable for our sin than those deceived people. I doubt that, at Judgment time, those people are going to be held accountable for teaching and believing that hell is a place of torture.
Jesus exposed the double-minded Pharisees. They knew the truth and were deceitful. To everyone else He showed love. He was compassionate. Pastor Joe and parishioner Sally aren't deceitful in their belief in hell.
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A person is a liar if they speak falsely. Those of the church speak/teach false doctrines. Like Rays says, it doesn't matter how you got dirty, God still is going to give you a bath.
I believe Ray's papers on the 2 churches speaks volumes. If that is not enough for some, then so be it. That is the purpose of this forum to congregate and assemble on what we learned from Ray's teachings. Everything else from this thread has just been personal beliefs with NO reference to scriptures or any of Ray's papers.
Thanks,
Marques
Beloved:
Douglas started this post and on the surface it may have seem to be kind of a rebuff to Rays teachings
Is there a church around that teaches the truth? Can I physically fellowship with anyone in a church where the truth is being taught? How would I find out about such a church if one did exist?
Assuming that all that come to the forum have read Ray's position on this is seems on the surface to be an absurd question to ask.
We here at the forum and conference want to believe that we assemble and fellowship as the true church but as I looked at this passage and it may me ponder.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Jesus asked peter who He was…
(Mat 16:15) He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
(Mat 16:16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
(Mat 16:17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
We all read it but do we get it? It seems to me that many (especially Catholic and other denominations ) who reads Matthew 16:18 think that peter is the one who the church is being built on.
There is a play on words that makes this happen . Peter means a piece of the rock , a stone, but the Rock being referred to is feminine a huge mass of Rock…substational.
Peter did not come up with that answer the Spirit of God revealed it to him, it is the spirit of God that will bring you to the Rock
Luk 8:6 And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture.
The rock they stumble on is Petra (look it up) Not Petros (peters name) The cannot take root because they are not of the spirit, they cannot receive the word. They stumble because they follow mans thoughts and doctrines, not the spirit.
We are to have our foundation on this Rock, not any stones (petros or lithos)
The same Rock mentioned many times in the OT
2Sa 22:32 For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a Rock, save our God? Hebrew for Rock is tsur tsur
Being human we want to be in a physical man made dwelling made of man made stones and we do like following 'talking head' but peter himself tells us we are living stones….stones that are alive because the Spirit reveals to us to the Rock.
That is why Ray can affirmly state that NO CURCH on earth has true doctrine. It is God himself that will construct it…He will select the building material.
You asked “How would I find out about such a church if one did exist?
That is why Jesus told us to ….. Seek the Kingdom…isn’t that what we are all trying to do.
beloved
KristaD:
Exactly, Beloved, you summed up my thoughts far more eloquently than I did.
OBrenda:
Good Food here, I've enjoyed this thread...
Sharpening Iron with Iron,...Respectfully Challenging,... where Everyone is Edified!
Yes, I'll take second helpings of this kind of fellowship!
Brenda
mharrell08:
Thank you Beloved...that was the best post I have read on the forums in quite sometime. Thank you
Marques
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