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chuckt:
seems eventually all the church buildings will need to burn, just like the physical temple in 70 ad.

peace
chuckt

Douglas Wayne Thomas:
This talk of stones/rocks has got me thinking, oh no not again. About some of the ways Jesus was described as a stone/rock and how he talked about stones/rocks.

In 1st Peter 2; 1-8 we read:

WHEREFORE laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,

2. As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

3. If so ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

4. To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

5. Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

6. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion (Hebrew: צִיּוֹן, tziyyon Sion is a term that most often designates the Land of Israel and its capital, Jerusalem) A Chief Cornerstone, Elect, Precious, And He That Believeth On Him Shall not Be Confounded.

7. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, The Stone Which The builders Disallowed, The Same Is Made The Head Of The Corner,

8. And A Stone Of Stumbling, And A Rock Of Offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

In Isaiah we read:
Isaiah 8:14-15 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 15 And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.

It is interesting that in this passage Jesus is first mentioned as a sanctuary, a place of refuge, a dwelling place, and a place of worship.

He then declares that he would be a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence.

He also declares that Jesus would be a gin* and a snare to some. *Side note; a Gin is also a type of block and tackle used to set stones in place when building a building; to lower into place and fix solidly, as the blocks of cut stone in a structure.

Paul also made reference to an Old Testament prophecy.

Romans 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Again, in his first letter to the Corinthians he refers to the same thing.

1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumbling block, and unto the Greeks foolishness.

In Psalms 31 verse 2 we read:

Bow down thine ear to me; deliver me speedily: be thou my strong rock, for an house of defence to save me.

3. For thou art my rock and my fortress; therefore for thy name's sake lead me, and guide me.

Lastly: The Bible is clear that Jesus is the rock.

 Corinthians 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Just my thoughts.

Seeking to do God's will always,

Douglas

JeffH:

--- Quote ---We will all be accountable for our thoughts and actions and beliefs.
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Hebrews 10 (Young's)

16 `This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, giving My laws on their hearts, and upon their minds I will write them,'
17 and `their sins and their lawlessness I will remember no more;'
18 and where forgiveness of these [is], there is no more offering for sin.

Craig:
And your point is?

Once God changes our hearts and minds, He will do as He says.  It's what happens between then and now that we are accountable.

Have any of us had this transformation?  Do you think this is going to be an easy transformation?

Is His laws totally in our hearts? Is His will written in our minds?

If it has then I'm glad for you, I've got a long way to go.

Craig

JeffH:

--- Quote ---A person is a liar if they speak falsely. Those of the church speak/teach false doctrines. Like Rays says, it doesn't matter how you got dirty, God still is going to give you a bath.
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Websters Revised Unabridged

Liar
n. [OE. liere. See Lie to falsify.] A person who knowingly utters falsehood; one who lies.


--- Quote ---I believe Ray's papers on the 2 churches speaks volumes. If that is not enough for some, then so be it. That is the purpose of this forum to congregate and assemble on what we learned from Ray's teachings. Everything else from this thread has just been personal beliefs with NO reference to scriptures or any of Ray's papers.
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I hope you don't mean that.  Rather than using my words, I'll leave you with God's.  I'm as grateful for Ray as I am for my own life, but I'll be leaning on Christ as I ponder his writings.  Everything I've written in this thread is Scriptural, not my personal opinion.  I made the assumption that you knew the verses behind the words.

1 Corinthians 3:

1 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ.
2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.
3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?
4 For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men?
5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task.
6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow.
7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.
8 The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.
9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.


Jeff

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