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How Long Has Man Been On Earth
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: enigmoxical on September 30, 2008, 04:25:52 PM ---
Adam means man, and in many places the Hebrew word refers to mankind in general. Genesis 1:27, for example, says, “So God created man [adam] in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female [see also Genesis 5:2; 6:1]. Adam is also used of the first man, either with the article as “the man” (Genesis 2:15,16) or as the name “Adam” (Genesis 4:1,25; 5:3,4). Finally, the term can refer to a member of the human race, “a man” (e.g., Genesis 2:5, “there was no man to work the ground”).
"Six" is the number of man. And because of this, I believe we are still in the sixth day. For when was there ever a point in time when God stopped creating men?
“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb? (Job 31:15)
“Yet He is not partial to princes, nor dies He regard the rich more than the poor; for they are all the work of His hands.” (Job 34:19)
“Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? (Malachi 2:10)
Peace
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Here is an excerpt from Ray's bible study regarding 'Keeping the Sabbath':
GOD IS YET CEASING FROM THE WORKS HE COMPLETED
Gen 2:2 And F I N I S H I N G is the Elohim, on the sixth day, His works which He does. And ceasing is He on the seventh day from ALL HIS W O R K which He does.” (Concordant Version)
The works ARE finished and God IS ceasing from all those works of physical creation of the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is.
Now all this ties in with keeping the seventh day, a day of rest. If God is still ceasing from all the works that were finished, He does that on the seventh day.
This still must be the seventh day of God’s ceasing!
We don’t read of anything where God began creating some other part of the physical universe on the eighth day or the ninth day or any such thing, nowhere. We are now into God’s SPIRITUAL creation… making man in God’s very own spiritual image.
The idea behind the seventh day is it represents rest. Israel was told to rest every seventh day of a weekly cycle. But it represents something. It was a law, they had to rest, it’s the forth commandment, it’s a law.
Heb 10:1 For the law (part of the... remember the Sabbath and keep it holy) having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things…
The shadow is not the image itself. So in some ways it’s almost worthless, except it points you to something.
Marques
enigmoxical:
--- Quote from: Heidi on September 30, 2008, 08:29:01 PM ---I believe we are in the 7th day.....day of rest....Christ is our Sabbath. Will do some studying on this and get back with scriptures....just IMO.
Ray did a paper on the Sabbath day....made perfect sence to my spirit.
Heidi
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I agree that when we overcome the mark of the beast, we do enter into Christ's rest; we are now seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph. 2:6). But this referring to our renewed state of mind and spirit (Rom. 8:6). Compare this with those who worship the image of the beast - they have no rest day or night (Rev. 14:11). But scripture convinces me that the seventh day will not begin until all enemies have been subdued and God is all in all (I Cor. 15:28). The number seven denotes completion. And God's plan will not be completely fulfilled until every knee bows and every tongue confesses His Son (Php. 2:9-11). It is also worth mentioning that the phrase "all in all" is exemplified by the primary Greek preposition en (Strong's G#1722), which denotes a (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), that is, a relation of REST.
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it." (Rom. 8:19-25)
Peace
enigmoxical:
And yes, I DO believe that from God's perspective, all of His works HAVE been completed. He has already declared the end from the beginning. We (meaning mankind) just haven't caught up to Him yet.
Does this make sense?
Peace
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: enigmoxical on September 30, 2008, 10:09:04 PM --- I agree that when we overcome the mark of the beast, we do enter into Christ's rest; we are now seated with Him in heavenly places (Eph. 2:6). But this referring to our renewed state of mind and spirit (Rom. 8:6). Compare this with those who worship the image of the beast - they have no rest day or night (Rev. 14:11). But scripture convinces me that the seventh day will not begin until all enemies have been subdued and God is all in all (I Cor. 15:28). The number seven denotes completion. And God's plan will not be completely fulfilled until every knee bows and every tongue confesses His Son (Php. 2:9-11). It is also worth mentioning that the phrase "all in all" is exemplified by the primary Greek preposition en (Strong's G#1722), which denotes a (fixed) position (in place, time or state), and (by implication) instrumentality (medially or constructively), that is, a relation of REST.
"For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope. Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it." (Rom. 8:19-25)
Peace
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Hello Enigmoxical,
Since there seems to be difference of opinion in your beliefs/comments compared to the papers and studies that Ray has done, have you emailed him to ask about it?
Marques
P.S. I saw your last comment right before posting. I don't entirely get what you're saying but maybe another member of the forum can help in that regard.
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: enigmoxical on September 30, 2008, 10:14:31 PM ---And yes, I DO believe that from God's perspective, all of His works HAVE been completed. He has already declared the end from the beginning. We (meaning mankind) just haven't caught up to Him yet.
Does this make sense?
Peace
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Actually it does, and was kind of my thoughts reading along. Of course, I'm not smart enough to make "my kinda knowing what you're talking about" very meaningful. :D
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