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How Long Has Man Been On Earth
Imabeliever:
Enigmoxical, I dont know if you noticed, but I am seeing these six's your talking about associated with man and I'm wondering if this has anything to do with the human number referred to as 666? I'm not trying to change the subject ,just curious about this! I think I'll start a different post and see what we can find out about these six's and humanity! Sorry for the change in subjects. god Bless! :)
E. Woods:
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Adam means man, and in many places the Hebrew word refers to mankind in general. Genesis 1:27, for example, says, “So God created man [adam] in His own image; He created him in the image of God; He created them male and female [see also Genesis 5:2; 6:1]. Adam is also used of the first man, either with the article as “the man” (Genesis 2:15,16) or as the name “Adam” (Genesis 4:1,25; 5:3,4). Finally, the term can refer to a member of the human race, “a man” (e.g., Genesis 2:5, “there was no man to work the ground”).
"Six" is the number of man. And because of this, I believe we are still in the sixth day. For when was there ever a point in time when God stopped creating men?
“Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One fashion us in the womb? (Job 31:15)
“Yet He is not partial to princes, nor dies He regard the rich more than the poor; for they are all the work of His hands.” (Job 34:19)
“Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us? (Malachi 2:10)
Peace
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Here is an excerpt from Ray's bible study regarding 'Keeping the Sabbath':
GOD IS YET CEASING FROM THE WORKS HE COMPLETED
Gen 2:2 And F I N I S H I N G is the Elohim, on the sixth day, His works which He does. And ceasing is He on the seventh day from ALL HIS W O R K which He does.” (Concordant Version)
The works ARE finished and God IS ceasing from all those works of physical creation of the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that in them is.
Now all this ties in with keeping the seventh day, a day of rest. If God is still ceasing from all the works that were finished, He does that on the seventh day.
This still must be the seventh day of God’s ceasing!
We don’t read of anything where God began creating some other part of the physical universe on the eighth day or the ninth day or any such thing, nowhere. We are now into God’s SPIRITUAL creation… making man in God’s very own spiritual image.
The idea behind the seventh day is it represents rest. Israel was told to rest every seventh day of a weekly cycle. But it represents something. It was a law, they had to rest, it’s the forth commandment, it’s a law.
Heb 10:1 For the law (part of the... remember the Sabbath and keep it holy) having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things…
The shadow is not the image itself. So in some ways it’s almost worthless, except it points you to something.
Marques
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enigmoxical:
--- Quote from: Heidi on October 01, 2008, 10:10:23 PM ---Another scripture to contemplate:
Hebrews 4:10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
This is telling me that I am now in His rest, the Sabbath day, the 7th day
What is your take on this?
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I believe this is a two-fold prophecy:
1) We have peace of mind in Christ when we come to a knowledge of the Truth. In this respect, we HAVE entered into His rest.
2) But this is also a prophecy of the great Sabbath Rest (day seven) true believers will enjoy when they inherit the earth, at the time of the first resurrection:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years." (Rev. 20:4,5b,6)
Only the elect will enter into this rest. But where are the unrighteous during this period of time?
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished." (Rev. 20:5a)
There is no seventh day of rest for the unrighteous. They remain in outer darkness (the grave) during the millennial kingdom age. And the author of Hebrews goes on to explain quite nicely why some DO enter into this rest, while others DON'T:
"Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
'So I swore in My wrath, They shall not enter My rest,'
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: 'And God rested on the seventh day from all His works'; and again in this place: 'They shall not enter My rest.'
Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, again He designates a certain day, saying in David, 'Today,' after such a long time, as it has been said:
'Today, if you will hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.'
For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience." (Heb. 4:1-11)
The consummation (I Cor 15:28) will mark a new beginning (day eight):
"And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd." (John 10:16)
I might be wrong, but this is currently the way I see things.
Peace
enigmoxical:
--- Quote from: musicman on October 02, 2008, 12:27:55 PM ---Dr. Schroeder runs into many problems on the 5th and 6th day. The fifth day would start before the Cambrian Explosian (about 750 million years ago). And the sixth day (250 million years ago)? Well, don't think man was created with the dinosaurs. To take such a mathmatical stance on creation, one must demand absolute conformity in the length of the creation days. We might be able to push day six back about 60 million years. So my count would have day six lasting another 190 million years with Schroeder's theory. Personally, I can't reconcile science with Schroeder's theory. That is unless Schroeder isn't literal in the amount of time each day requires. But wait, if his theory is based on a 24 hour time period at the edge of the universe, then the periods he has proposed here on Earth cannot be deviated from. As of now, I am more inclined to go with the hypothesis pushed by Hugh Ross.
I do think that we are in day 7 because no new species of life have been shown to come into exisistence since the dawn of man (I could be wrong). Besides, I think day eight will be the new beginning when all are saved. Some will experience day eight before others. Just my thinking.
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I do not see where the Genesis account conflicts with Schroeder's theory at all. Genesis One simply says animals were created on day 5 and humans on day 6. It never says exactly WHEN on day 5 the creation of animals began, nor does it say exactly WHEN on day 6 the creation of humans began. Only that it DID.
Peace
musicman:
According to what I've read on his theory, it seems that day one would last 8 bil, day 2 would last 4 bil, day 3 would last 2 bil, day 4 would last 1 bil, day 5 would last 500 mil and day 6 would last 250 mil years. And the reason is because if from God's perspective, 24 hours = a set amount of time on Earth, which is cut in half every day, or every time the universe doubles in size, this would leave day 6 with at least another 190 million years. I don't think the people of this world can manage another 500 years at the rate were going. If somebody can tell me why day six wouldn't have to conform to Schroeder's theory, where it would last 250 million years, then perhaps I can reconsider this theory. But let's face it. Day 6 could not have started more than about 60 million years ago. If day 5 was a 24 hour period for God and day 6 is also a 24 hour period, just when is this 24 hour period (assuming we're in day 6) going to end. Remember, if day 5 is 500 million years to us, then day 6 would have to be 250 million years under Schroader's theory. Someone wanna sort all of this out for me?
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