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Samson:

--- Quote from: ScarletWren on October 04, 2008, 06:44:14 PM ---Good post, Christ.

I think there are two different greek words used in describing God's intention/will.  One is thelema, I can't recall the other.  I tried to access the greek lexicon I have a link to but it wouldn't come up.  But one we can go against, the other we can't.  What a great God we serve!!!


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ScarletWren,

                   I think that Boulema(Boo-lay-mah)- (Romans. 8:28) is the Greek Word for Purpose and Thelo is the Greek Word for Will(1Tim. 4:10), it's the strong form of the word Will, even though translators render it " desire ", " wish" or a want, sending the idea to peoples minds that it's just " wishfull thinking" or a hope on Gods part that All will be saved.

                                                In Gods Love, Samson.

Longhorn:
Richard

We were all led or dragged to this site and these truths for a reason.  I remember I typed in the word Hell and Ray's site was the one I logged on.  A couple of days later I typed in the word Hell and Ray's site was not listed.  Im too old and too many brain cells have been destroyed by cheap soda water-whiskey, but this I do know, we have been given a wealth of knowledge on this site for a reason.  Keep digging for the pearls my friend.  I always enjoy your enthusiasm.

Love in Christ

Longhorn

daywalker:

--- Quote from: AK4 on October 04, 2008, 08:56:57 AM ---Hi Richard

I too believe that free will is the biggest or most profound or is the strong delusion that was sent by God.  You take this away and none of the false doctrines and religions have a leg to stand on. 

No you have it right Richard.  Getting over free will is tough.  From childhood, say about 1yr old, we are basically taught free will by our parents (and i believe we all are guilty of teaching our children this too) saying to us "why did you do this or that?" and "what do you want to be when you grow up" and "you can be whatever you want to be".

Its a tough pill to swallow and something i think most of mankind will fight tooth and nail for to the death. I believe i have a pretty good grasp on it, but i find myself struggling everyday with it too because i desperately wanna "free will" myself out of cigarettes, but boy do i lose everyday.

Free will is such a brilliant delusion or illusion if you think about.  Praise God!

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It sure is a magnificent/overwhelming/humbling illusion, isn't it?  :D

Surely, this is how GOD makes "man's WISDOM... STUPIDITY"!  8)  We come up with all these profound "proofs" that we have a "free will", and how we are in charge, we are our own god's, etc, etc.. and than GOD shows us how UN-free we are, and it really strikes a nerve at first!

"...and the house on the sand fell, and great was the fall of it". Now rather than telling myself, "I can do this... I can change", I am constantly praying to GOD, "Please give me strength... Change me... Make me stop this... " Boy have things changed!

GOD definitely has a sense of humor... The more GOD reveals this illusion to us, the more laughable it becomes that we ever believed such a thing.  ??? Quite painful, and yet humbling.

AK4:
Yes Daywalker

Its astonishing.  It makes me think of when Jesus appeared to the disciples and they didnt even know it was Him they were talking to.

We read the Word and Hes right there in our face, talking to us and we dont see Him.  (when we were in babylon)

I think back on some of what i used to believe and think "gee i was such a stupid knucklehead" and then Just laugh at myself sometimes.

daywalker:

--- Quote from: AK4 on October 07, 2008, 06:11:31 PM ---Yes Daywalker

Its astonishing.  It makes me think of when Jesus appeared to the disciples and they didnt even know it was Him they were talking to.

We read the Word and Hes right there in our face, talking to us and we dont see Him.  (when we were in babylon)

I think back on some of what i used to believe and think "gee i was such a stupid knucklehead" and then Just laugh at myself sometimes.

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Haha I hear ya!

Guess that's why the Scriptures say that Jesus "walks in the midst" of the Church. All they have to do is "come out of her" and they will find Him standing right there.

GOD Bless

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