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Beloved:
My post was not to imply what is correct but to just add aother point of view
you asked So I ask, is this mind set in me correct?
The answer about being correct is difficult to know or tell you....I do not have all the information myself.....correct is relative...I can say it is not perfect.....it will not be in this life. Also I do not know your mind, Chirst in you has that position.
I do know that man has a way of rationalizing any concept that he takes in....did you not think you were correct when you were in babylon....we all did.... but now we study intensely to show ourselves approved...This should challenge us from every direction.
To learn something knew one must attach it to some concept within us...the problem is finding the correct link. many links must be broken and things reessembled....in order to "get it".
I have to constantly remind myself to not to think that I understand or know any concept of God....I see now that there are too many obstacles have been put there in the past and only Christ knows which are left to remove.
It doesn't mean that one does not know something right now...rather that there may be more to be revealed...One has to keep their eyes and ears open and keep digging. That is why Ray says...what does God's word really say.... but we have to also ask what is real?
Last night I spent time with a friend and for two years talked and talked about universal salvation.....I really thought she understood it .....but last night we studied the word together..
jesus is talking to the Pharisees
(Mat 21:28) But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work today in my vineyard.
(Mat 21:29) He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
(Mat 21:30) And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
(Mat 21:31) .
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you
And she broke down crying because she saw it finally, we also showed her multiple witnesses to this statement.....
later she was surprised when I said this was still milk....but happy when I told her there was far greater things to chew on but it would take digging and time. I myself look forward to these gems, don't you all
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
The first speaks of man trying to find them on his own the second speaks of God allowing him to find them. The important thing is to stay in His word and be looking for him to show us our own obstacles....
Sometimes when I am writing something to someone else I see that it applies directly to something in me...these out of the blue revelations always floor me.
beloved
AK4:
--- Quote ---Sometimes when I am writing something to someone else I see that it applies directly to something in me...these out of the blue revelations always floor me.
beloved
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Beloved, i know what you mean and love it when it happens.
Richard IMO i believe your mind set is right, but its not my opinion that matters. The question is do you find rest within when you fall to the temptation and eat the ten chocolate cakes?
As for me, if it was me in the situation with the ten cakes and i fall to the temptation, I find rest in Christ because even though i fall and i hate it with a passion that i still keep eating ten cakes a day, i know that is was not my will that was done, but that irregardless of rather i ate the ten cakes or not, i still was doing the Will of the Father. And this is the rest. I might not understand why it was His Will for me to eat the ten cakes a day now, but maybe some day He will reveal it me--no, for me, I know He will reveal it to me. And it will all make sense then.
Hope this helps
Anthony
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Beloved on October 04, 2008, 12:58:45 PM ---My post was not to imply what is correct but to just add aother point of view
you asked So I ask, is this mind set in me correct?
The answer about being correct is difficult to know or tell you....I do not have all the information myself.....correct is relative...I can say it is not perfect.....it will not be in this life. Also I do not know your mind, Chirst in you has that position.
I do know that man has a way of rationalizing any concept that he takes in....did you not think you were correct when you were in babylon....we all did.... but now we study intensely to show ourselves approved...This should challenge us from every direction.
To learn something knew one must attach it to some concept within us...the problem is finding the correct link. many links must be broken and things reessembled....in order to "get it".
I have to constantly remind myself to not to think that I understand or know any concept of God....I see now that there are too many obstacles have been put there in the past and only Christ knows which are left to remove.
It doesn't mean that one does not know something right now...rather that there may be more to be revealed...One has to keep their eyes and ears open and keep digging. That is why Ray says...what does God's word really say.... but we have to also ask what is real?
Last night I spent time with a friend and for two years talked and talked about universal salvation.....I really thought she understood it .....but last night we studied the word together..
jesus is talking to the Pharisees
(Mat 21:28) But what think ye? A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work today in my vineyard.
(Mat 21:29) He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.
(Mat 21:30) And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
(Mat 21:31) .
Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you
And she broke down crying because she saw it finally, we also showed her multiple witnesses to this statement.....
later she was surprised when I said this was still milk....but happy when I told her there was far greater things to chew on but it would take digging and time. I myself look forward to these gems, don't you all
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
The first speaks of man trying to find them on his own the second speaks of God allowing him to find them. The important thing is to stay in His word and be looking for him to show us our own obstacles....
Sometimes when I am writing something to someone else I see that it applies directly to something in me...these out of the blue revelations always floor me.
beloved
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Excellent Beloved!
Very well put, I too love how one avenue of His Word leads us to another, sometimes even more profound than what we were searching for in the first place ...... nothing to add here.
Peace,
Joe
Richard D:
Anthony and Beloved.
I thank you both for you’re response to my post, it appears to me I’m always trying to understand God and my relationship with God from A to Z. Its apparent to me God is elusive in all His ways.
I come to the realization that when I believe I understand, I realize I understand not. Or that which I do understand goes much deeper than what I understand, leaving me always perplex.
I understand God loves me but even though I understand God loves me I can not phantom His love for me.
I’m always wondering what God’s will is for my life only to discover I been fulfilling God’s will from birth to present day.
I can only express it is what it is and that be not of myself but by the grace of God.
Praise and honor is to God without end from age to age Amen.
I shall simply wait on the Lord, knowing without knowing I’ am forever fulfilling His will for His propose according to the council of His will.
In His Love. Richard. The least of all of you.
Chris R:
Hi Folks,
Reckon I'll throw in a thought for the pot.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish,[to be lost, ruined, destroyed] but that all should come to repentance. [2pe 3:9]
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: [Isa 46:10]
How many of us go against the will of God? All of us!
How many of us go against Gods Purpose?...absolutely none of us.
God is absolutely not willing any should be lost, but the fact is, many are. It is His purpose these are lost for a time, an age, why?..That we may learn from this "tree" of knowledge good and evil.
So yes we do go against Gods will....but not against his purpose.
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus? [Rom 9: 17-20]
Peace
Chris R
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